[FRIAM] Indefinite Emergency Powers

Sun Mar 22 15:09:09 EDT 2020

Hi, Cody, 

Good point.  If the thing I fear starts to happen quickly within the next ten months, what is the digital equivalent of “going out into the streets to protest.”  

Nick 

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Clark University

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From: Friam <friam-bounces at redfish.com> On Behalf Of cody dooderson
Sent: Sunday, March 22, 2020 11:32 AM
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Subject: Re: [FRIAM] Indefinite Emergency Powers

There is part of me that really sees the potential for misuse of power. At Simtable we are working towards a spread model that involves tracking peoples locations using their phones. Which would be bootstrapped by getting location history from sources like Google, Facebook, Pokemon-go, etc...  The US and Israeli governments have already verified that they gather accurate phone location histories.  I would really hate for the GOP or even the DNC to get that data 'though. What I am trying to say is that we are on a slippery slope, where tracking everyones location is common. 

There also seems to be doubt about how well this location data will work for fighting the covid-19 virus given the number of asymptomatic carriers. So far the best solution seems to be to test everyone, and then test them again. 

References:

* https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2020/03/governments-havent-shown-location-surveillance-would-help-contain-covid-19

* https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/mar/18/scientists-say-mass-tests-in-italian-town-have-halted-covid-19

Cody Smith

On Sun, Mar 22, 2020 at 8:06 AM Frank Wimberly <wimberly3 at gmail.com <mailto:wimberly3 at gmail.com> > wrote:

Congress is smarter than that, even with it's Trumpian sycophants.  

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Frank C. Wimberly
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On Sun, Mar 22, 2020, 5:26 AM Jochen Fromm <jofr at cas-group.net <mailto:jofr at cas-group.net> > wrote:

Hungary's authoritarian leader Orban wants to get indefinite emergency powers to fight the Virus.

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2020-03-21/hungary-s-orban-seeks-indefinite-emergency-powers-in-virus-bill

It reminds Germans of the "enabling act" 1933 which Hitler used to grab power. This law granted the leader the power to enact laws without the involvement of the  <https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reichstag_(Weimar_Republic)> parliament, and made him a dictator. 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Enabling_Act_of_1933

Trump will try something similar - a bill or amendment to the constitution that grants him indefinite and unlimited powers. Officially to fight the disease and to protect Americans. In reality to protect himself. Once he has this emergency powers, he will never give them back.

https://www.politico.com/news/2020/03/21/doj-coronavirus-emergency-powers-140023

-J.

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