[FRIAM] Pragmaticism and puritanism

[Steven A Smith]

I'm thinking the symptoms of COVID19 might be closer to those of a
"dodgy drug" in this case...  some fever dreams for all who are symptomatic?

On 3/11/20 11:01 AM, Marcus Daniels wrote:
> Temporary refrigeration for some FRIAM members?  Just until it all blows over?  
>
> On 3/11/20, 9:30 AM, "Friam on behalf of thompnickson2 at gmail.com" <friam-bounces at redfish.com on behalf of thompnickson2 at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>     Hi Dave, 
>     
>     Well, at the very least, the kind of information that would convince me to take a somewhat dodgy drug to fend off covid19.  
>     
>     N
>     
>     Nicholas Thompson
>     Emeritus Professor of Ethology and Psychology
>     Clark University
>     ThompNickSon2 at gmail.com
>     https://wordpress.clarku.edu/nthompson/
>      
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>     
>     -----Original Message-----
>     From: Friam <friam-bounces at redfish.com> On Behalf Of Prof David West
>     Sent: Wednesday, March 11, 2020 9:05 AM
>     To: friam at redfish.com
>     Subject: Re: [FRIAM] Pragmaticism and puritanism
>     
>     May I add — what would convince you that psychedelic experiences are worth of the same kind of investigation as "ordinary" experiences.
>     
>     davew
>     
>     
>     On Wed, Mar 11, 2020, at 3:18 PM, uǝlƃ ☣ wrote:
>     > Well, I definitely privilege scientific ways of knowing more than any 
>     > other way of knowing [†]. So I don't disagree with what you *say*. But 
>     > it seems to me that *you* don't privilege scientific knowledge in 
>     > these discussions. You talk a LOT about philosophy and metaphysics, 
>     > but not much about scientific results. The recent 'round and 'round 
>     > about "sledgehammers", Peirce's metaphysics, or whatnot, largely 
>     > ignoring any attempts to discuss psychedelic research and medicine, 
>     > seems to imply that you do not privilege science.
>     > 
>     > So, maybe if I pull out the old saw again?  If results published in 
>     > peer-reviewed literature and clinical trial data will NOT convince you 
>     > that psychedelics can be used as medicine, then what WOULD convince 
>     > you? If nothing will ever convince you, then you certainly do NOT 
>     > privilege science.
>     > 
>     > 
>     > [†] It ain't perfect; and it ain't the only kind of knowledge. But 
>     > it's the best we have.
>     > 
>     > On 3/10/20 11:03 AM, thompnickson2 at gmail.com wrote:
>     > > No, I am not sure that Dave and Glen would disagree with any of this.
>     > 
>     > --
>     > ☣ uǝlƃ
>     > 
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