[FRIAM] ill-conceived question

Mon May 4 10:56:18 EDT 2020

…and being on a ventilator.  

Nicholas Thompson

Emeritus Professor of Ethology and Psychology

Clark University

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From: Friam <friam-bounces at redfish.com> On Behalf Of Prof David West
Sent: Monday, May 4, 2020 8:25 AM
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Subject: Re: [FRIAM] ill-conceived question

Frank,

When looking for a facility for my mother, I found a lot of the 200K / 6K per month facilities, but more than 3/4 of the facilities that exist are subsidized and they simply take between 40 and 80% of the patient's social security and retirement income.

I am pretty certain that the ones with intense outbreaks were the latter type.

When all the shouting is over and all the data is available, I would bet a significant amount of money that the single largest comorbidity factor will be poverty / lower economic status.

davew

On Mon, May 4, 2020, at 6:12 AM, Frank Wimberly wrote:

Dave

Maybe I lack adequate knowledge of the variety of care centers but the ones I know charge something like $200,000 admission and $6000 per month.  Maybe you mean "somewhat poor OR already warehoused..."

Frank

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On Mon, May 4, 2020, 5:31 AM Prof David West <profwest at fastmail.fm <mailto:profwest at fastmail.fm> > wrote:

The lesson might be if you are willing to lose the old people who are somewhat poor and already warehoused in overcrowded care facilities you don't have to lock down.

On Sun, May 3, 2020, at 11:24 AM, Frank Wimberly wrote:

Sounds like the lesson is that if you're willing to lose old people you don't have to lock down.  As an old person I have my doubts about that approach.  In the last three days one of my highschool classmates died of covid related causes and a first cousin died of a heart attack with no known covid involvement.

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On Sun, May 3, 2020, 10:55 AM Merle Lefkoff <merlelefkoff at gmail.com <mailto:merlelefkoff at gmail.com> > wrote:

Nick, the only mainstream news program I watch is Fareed Zakaria on Sunday morning.  Below is part of this morning's report.  Not surprisingly (for those of us who have had the privilege recently of spending time in Sweden), the answer to how it's working, is just about like the countries that are locked down, with one exception.  More deaths (mostly among the elderly who primarily live together in retirement).

As world governments employ different policies to fight Covid-19, Sweden’s relaxed approach stands out: Eschewing lockdowns, the country has left its schools, gyms, cafes, bars and restaurants open throughout the spread of the pandemic. Fareed interviews the man behind that strategy, Anders Tegnell, the Swedish government’s top epidemiologist, about how it’s working and whether his country can offer any lessons to the rest of the world.

On Sat, May 2, 2020 at 10:34 AM <thompnickson2 at gmail.com <mailto:thompnickson2 at gmail.com> > wrote:

Colleagues, 

I have asked this question before and nobody has responded (for clear and good reasons, no doubt) but I thought I would ask it again.  What exactly is this economy we are bent on reviving?  What exactly is the difference in human activity between our present state and a revived economy.  We can go to bars and concerts and football games?  Is that the economy we are reviving?  It seems to me that the difference between a “healty” economy and our present status consists possibly in nothing more than a lot of people frantically rushing about doing things they don’t really need to do?  

You recall that I invoked as a model that experiment in which 24 rats were put in a quarter acre enclosure in Baltimore and fed and watered and protected to see how the population would develop.  They never got above two hundred.  Infant mortality, etc., was appalling.  Carnage.  In the same space, a competent lab breeding organization could have kept a population of tens of thousands.  

Don’t yell at me.  What fundamental proposition about economics do I not understand? 

Nick 

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