[FRIAM] Ranked Choice Voting app

[Gillian Densmore]

Me and a friend were talking about a topic like this the other day. Their
are a lot of issues with washington. One is it's gotten really stuck on
point fingers.
We came up with a rough geeky parallel  to StarWars. lol people can
probably guess where things are heading:
Washing has decided to invest some book of bad writing. Along the way
basically a at first small rebellious hungry to hang on to ideals of what
it thinks to be like good BFF, that you listen to all the time saying:
that's a really bad idea! They basically become a mixture of the republic
and some jedi.  A much more extremist group comes then says: but we can't
get anything done! So we'll just up and do it.  They basically falling to
the dark side
The Repblic and Jedi are a mix of people saying  to hell with party
polotics: they're a mixture of gop, jedi, and average citizens just wanting
balanc.
The extremmesist of everyone (Gop citicens, Dems, etc) are Going to the
dark side, some have the potential to be Sith.

It's my opinion this is the problem now. Two groups of extremists. Neither
able or willing to here other side.  Ranked voting might help that.  I'm
not sure now is a good idea to entirely get rid of both parties with a need
for stability. But someway where it's a little less of this either GOP OR
Dems.  A 3rd or 4th viable working party could help with that.

It's my understanding Engand has several parties, and they work out to some
degree, Adding more parties that'd work. We have a lot small "parties" that
are their to basically troll. In my opinion.
Where as a few more legit parties potentially would help. The other side is
actually following the rules everyone agreed to. The Sith have pretty much
decided they'll just do what they want. regardless of what the rules
actually say. While that's certainly one way to get things unstuck, but
it's left a total mess in the process!




On Mon, May 4, 2020 at 11:56 AM cody dooderson <d00d3rs0n at gmail.com> wrote:

> I think that ranked choice is the best bet to escape from the horrible two
> party system. That being said there is not much insentive for the GOP or
> the DNC to adopt what could be enable competition.  My friend Greg once
> said both parties are basically just advertising firms, and I still believe
> it.
> Also the idea of voting from a personal computer or phone really interests
> me. If someone could figure out how to overcome it's flaws it would be
> awesome. From what I understand the issues are, correct me if I'm wrong,
> * Anonymity while still providing some sort of record so one can verify
> that the vote was cast correctly. Equivalent to a paper ballot. There must
> be some math/ encryption trick for this.
> * How to verify that the person voting is who they say they are.
>
>
> On Mon, May 4, 2020, 10:31 AM uǝlƃ ☣ <gepropella at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Well, the usual caveats apply. I really have no idea what I'm talking
>> about. But that's never stopped me before.
>>
>> My intuition is given unlimited campaign funding (as free speech), really
>> really long campaign seasons, and influence ops (ala Russia), 1st past the
>> post 2 party systems foment false dichotomy and hyper-partisanship. I'm a
>> big fan of dialectic (which I regard as installing false dichotomies -- or
>> falsely disjoint sets for more than 2 positions -- for the sake of
>> argument). But everything in moderation. When a (false) dichotomy is taken
>> seriously, it loses its rhetorical power.
>>
>> IRV and RCV seem to push people toward mediocrity. Of course, I'm no fan
>> of popular music (or popular novels, or popular TV shows, etc.). But if
>> every time I turned on the radio they were playing extreme noise, Yanni, or
>> black metal, I'd be similarly Disturbed (ha! get it?).
>>
>> So, I see IRV and RCV as a potential solution to finding compromise in
>> our elections instead of electing people by hyper-partisan elections, then
>> expecting them to do all the compromising after they're in the new
>> position. My criticisms of it would obtain after a few political cycles
>> when *all* we get are the Bidens/Clintons/Bushes and the AOCs/Yangs/Bernies
>> have no chance. It disgusts me to think a reasonable political strategy is
>> "play to the middle". But at this point, I think we need a little of it.
>> How can we mitigate against it later, though? I have no idea.
>>
>> Maybe there's some efficacy in slicing out types of elections (which I've
>> already tried to do by saying "IRV and RCV", recognizing they're not quite
>> synonymous). Maybe Congress needs IRV, whereas the Executive needs 1st past
>> the post? Or maybe the House needs 1st-past but the Senate needs IRV and
>> the Executive needs RCV (and the top 2 get P and VP)? I don't know. But
>> sometimes, a little mediocrity helps us identify where our tastes really do
>> and don't diverge.
>>
>> On 5/4/20 9:00 AM, Steven A Smith wrote:
>> >> https://rankit.vote/
>> >>
>> > thanks for bringing the topic up again.   I know you have made (mildly?
>> > obliquely?) disparaging comments about ranked-choice voting before.
>> > Rather than my trying to summarize (or impute) your real intention,
>> > maybe you could comment on how you think ranked choice voting fits into
>> > the bigger picture?
>>
>>
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