[FRIAM] Gentleman's Club

Prof David West profwest at fastmail.fm
Thu May 14 20:39:41 EDT 2020


Should FRIAM aspire to "club" or to "salon?" I would hope the latter.

davew


On Thu, May 14, 2020, at 6:27 PM, Frank Wimberly wrote:
> You are eminently clubbable wrt Friam, Jon.
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> On Thu, May 14, 2020, 6:22 PM Jon Zingale <jonzingale at gmail.com> wrote:
>> Glen astutely begins:
>> "We talk a lot about filosofy, culture, and politics on this list. And we quote a lot of old white guys. Sporadically one of us will lament..."
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>> From a wonderfully humorous wikipedia article on The Gentleman's Club <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gentlemen%27s_club>:
>> "An increasing number of clubs were characterised by their members' interest in politics, literature, sport, art, automobiles, travel, particular countries, or some other pursuit. In other cases, the connection between the members was membership of the same branch of the armed forces, or the same school or university. Thus the growth of clubs provides an indicator as to what was considered a respectable part of the "Establishment" at the time.
>> By the late 19th century, any man with a credible claim to the status of "gentleman" was eventually able to find a club willing to admit him, unless his character was objectionable in some way or he was "unclubbable" (a word first used by Samuel Johnson <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Samuel_Johnson>).[2] <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gentlemen%27s_club#cite_note-2> This newly-expanded category of English society came to include professionals who had to earn their income, such as doctors and lawyers."

>> Is it possible we are a gentleman's club? If so, I suspect I am *unclubbable*.

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