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Mon May 18 23:18:57 EDT 2020

That helps.  Thank you.

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Frank C. Wimberly
140 Calle Ojo Feliz,
Santa Fe, NM 87505

505 670-9918
Santa Fe, NM

On Mon, May 18, 2020, 9:15 PM <thompnickson2 at gmail.com> wrote:

> You have a life for which, at the moment, only you hold the key.   That’s
> the furthest I am prepared to go.
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> Nicholas Thompson
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> Emeritus Professor of Ethology and Psychology
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> Clark University
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> ThompNickSon2 at gmail.com
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> https://wordpress.clarku.edu/nthompson/
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> *From:* Friam <friam-bounces at redfish.com> *On Behalf Of *Frank Wimberly
> *Sent:* Monday, May 18, 2020 9:13 PM
> *To:* The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group <
> friam at redfish.com>
> *Subject:* Re: [FRIAM] hidden
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> Then quit saying I don't have an  inner life.  The inner expeeiences are
> the memories I have in the present and at various times in the past and the
> wondering about whatever became of her (and others).
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> Frank C. Wimberly
> 140 Calle Ojo Feliz,
> Santa Fe, NM 87505
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> 505 670-9918
> Santa Fe, NM
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> On Mon, May 18, 2020, 8:48 PM <thompnickson2 at gmail.com> wrote:
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> Frank,
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> There are many things that you have experienced that I have not, and vv,
> but no value is added by calling these “inner.”  I can sort of go along
> with Glen’s gloss on “inside”, but when you metamorphose it to “inner”, I
> get antsy.
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> But I think we have tilled this ground for all it is worth, for the
> moment.
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> Nick
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> Nicholas Thompson
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> Emeritus Professor of Ethology and Psychology
>
> Clark University
>
> ThompNickSon2 at gmail.com
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> https://wordpress.clarku.edu/nthompson/
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> *From:* Friam <friam-bounces at redfish.com> *On Behalf Of *Frank Wimberly
> *Sent:* Monday, May 18, 2020 8:02 PM
> *To:* The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group <
> friam at redfish.com>
> *Subject:* Re: [FRIAM] hidden
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> Forget covariant tensors (again).  There was a beautiful, talented girl in
> my sixth grade class.  She could dance ballet, draw striking pictures,
> etc.  I thought of her occasionally over the decades.  When Google search
> became available I discovered that she was married to a celebrity.
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> When you say that my inner life isn't private, Nick, do you mean you could
> figure out her name given what I've just written?  As I think of her face,
> can you "see" it well enough to recognize her photo?
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> I just don't understand what you mean when you question that I have a
> private inner life.
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> Frank
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> Frank C. Wimberly
> 140 Calle Ojo Feliz,
> Santa Fe, NM 87505
>
> 505 670-9918
> Santa Fe, NM
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> On Mon, May 18, 2020, 7:47 PM Jon Zingale <jonzingale at gmail.com> wrote:
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> Frank, Glen, Nick,
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> Glen writes:
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> `... in last week's Zoom, I mentioned to Jon (in response
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> to his query to Frank about RSA-encryption::mind) that I
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> think homomorphic encryption is a better analogy (to mind).`
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> Fully homomorphic encryption† was also the metaphor I originally
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> had in mind. In an effort to not complicate matters, I decided to focus
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> on the idea of public key encryption more generally. Thank you, Glen
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> for taking it the rest of the way. Because Glen, Nick and I appear to
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> differ on Frank's mind only in that we disagree about the way that
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> Frank's mind is public, I will attempt to switch sides and argue for
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> why his mind may be private.
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> Firstly, while we may only need to know some combination of
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> *transformations* which will allow us to know his mind, it may
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> be the case that those transformations are not accessible to
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> us. As an example and in analogy to computation, it may be the
>
> case that we are not the kind of machines which can recognize
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> the language produced by a mind. While we as observers are
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> able to finite automata our way along observations of Frank,
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> his mind is producing context-free sentences, say. I don't
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> entirely buy this argument, but it also may be defendable.
>
> As another example/analogy, we may be attempting to solve
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> a problem analogous to those geometric problems of Greek
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> antiquity††. It may take a psychological analog to Galois theory
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> before we understand exactly why we can't know Frank's mind.
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> Secondly, it may be that the encryption metaphor should
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> actually be something closer to hashing. A friend of mine
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> once said that *rememberings* were morphisms between
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> *forgettings*. We are often ok with the idea that memory is
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> lossy, but why not thoughts themselves? Perhaps, at least
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> with regard to what we can observer of Frank, every time
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> Frank thinks of a covariant tensor he is reconstituting
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> something fundamentally different. The *remembering* is
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> always between different *forgettings*.
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> Ok, I am not sure I could necessarily defend these thoughts.
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> Further, I am not sure they are necessarily helpful to our
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> conversation. It seemed a good idea to try.
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> On the topic of steganography, I wanted to mention the
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> book *Steganographia <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steganographia>*. I
> had originally read about it in some
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> part of Neal Stephenson's *Baroque Cycle*, and it has since
>
> found a place in my heart. The book, originally written in
>
> 1499, is perhaps the oldest text on the subject of cryptography.
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> What is amazing about the book is that it is an example of
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> itself (nod to Nick). The plaintext content of the book is
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> on the subject of magic, but for a reader clever enough to
>
> find the deciphering key the book is about cryptography.
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> I had found a copy from the 1700's in the rare books library
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> at the University of Texas some years ago. The content was
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> *doubly hidden* from me as I neither had the deciphering
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> key nor can I read Latin ;)
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> Jon
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> †: If any members of the group would like to form a reading
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> group around Craig Gentry's thesis on FHE
> <https://www.bookdepository.com/Fully-Homomorphic-Encryption-Scheme-Craig-Gentry/9781243663139>,
> I would gladly
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> participate.
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> †† While it turned out that the Greek's assumptions about
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> the power of a compass and straightedge were incorrect,
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> work beginning with Margherita Beloch
> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Margherita_Piazzola_Beloch> (and
> culminating
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> with the Huzita-Hatori
> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Huzita%E2%80%93Hatori_axioms> axioms) show
> that origami would
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> have been a more powerful choice!
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