[FRIAM] The Second Wave is Gathering

[Russ Abbott]

Dale and Marcus put it all very sanely. I was talking specifically about my
emotional reaction.

It's not that I take delight in anyone's suffering or that I want us to
spend our resources protecting reasonable people (which, of course, I do).
I don't even want an invective to hurl.

It's that I *find myself hoping* that the generic Trump fanboy comes down
with COVID --- especially after being aggressively reckless as a political
act. It's similar to what Nick said (told you so; serves you right) but,
now that I think about it, a bit more on the abstract level. I don't want
real people to suffer, but in the service of moving the political needle,
I'd be happy to see the generic Trump supporter having problems.

I would feel terrible if somehow as a result of my wishes, lots of
red-state people ended up on ventilators. I want the red states themselves
on ventilators, not the flesh-and-blood individuals in those states.




On Sun, May 24, 2020 at 9:42 PM Marcus Daniels <marcus at snoutfarm.com> wrote:

> Nick, for me, that’s not it either.
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> I hope that reasonable people won’t waste time protecting unreasonable
> people from themselves, and will focus on protecting other reasonable
> people, and the innocent.   Specifically, to your interpretation, I will
> not value their regret and do not seek it.
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> The stakes are high, with COVID-19, climate change, and many other things.
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> *From: *Friam <friam-bounces at redfish.com> on behalf of "
> thompnickson2 at gmail.com" <thompnickson2 at gmail.com>
> *Reply-To: *The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group <
> friam at redfish.com>
> *Date: *Sunday, May 24, 2020 at 9:05 PM
> *To: *'The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group' <
> friam at redfish.com>
> *Subject: *Re: [FRIAM] The Second Wave is Gathering
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> Dale,
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> What’s the German word for, I told you so, suckah!  I agree that it’s not
> quite schadenfreude, but it’s pretty darned close.
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> Oh, it appears to be “Ich habe es dir gesagt, Trottel”
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> That comes off the tongue pretty good, too.  If invective is what one is
> after, it’s hard to beat german.
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> Nicholas Thompson
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> Emeritus Professor of Ethology and Psychology
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> Clark University
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> ThompNickSon2 at gmail.com
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> https://wordpress.clarku.edu/nthompson/
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> *From:* Friam <friam-bounces at redfish.com> *On Behalf Of *Dale Schumacher
> *Sent:* Sunday, May 24, 2020 9:30 PM
> *To:* The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group <
> friam at redfish.com>
> *Subject:* Re: [FRIAM] The Second Wave is Gathering
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> It seems to me that this is a misapplication of the term *schadenfreude*.
> Assume Russ feels that same way I do, I would clarify that I do not "take
> delight in the suffering of another". Rather that I hope that a population
> that is making horrible choices will directly experience the consequences
> of those choices, and thus perhaps reconsider them. Unfortunately, there
> will also be a lot of collateral damage, but "natural selection" has always
> been a blunt instrument...
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> On Sat, May 23, 2020 at 6:12 PM <thompnickson2 at gmail.com> wrote:
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> This emotion, culpable though it may be, is so common there is a german
> word for it, *schadenfreude*.
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> Doesn’t that just roll off the tongue?
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> Nicholas Thompson
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> Emeritus Professor of Ethology and Psychology
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> Clark University
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> ThompNickSon2 at gmail.com
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> https://wordpress.clarku.edu/nthompson/
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> *From:* Friam <friam-bounces at redfish.com> *On Behalf Of *Russ Abbott
> *Sent:* Saturday, May 23, 2020 5:21 PM
> *To:* The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group <
> friam at redfish.com>
> *Subject:* Re: [FRIAM] The Second Wave is Gathering
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> I feel ethically corrupt to find myself hoping for a spike in COVID
> incidents among Trump voters. But in fact, that's what I'm hoping for.
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> On Sat, May 23, 2020 at 4:11 PM David Eric Smith <desmith at santafe.edu>
> wrote:
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> One should do a regression against the popular vote and against the
> electoral vote.  See if the difference between those regression
> coefficients carries even more information than the separate values.
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> On May 24, 2020, at 4:04 AM, <thompnickson2 at gmail.com> <
> thompnickson2 at gmail.com> wrote:
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> https://www.brookings.edu/blog/the-avenue/2020/05/07/as-states-reopen-covid-19-is-spreading-into-even-more-trump-counties/
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