[FRIAM] The Second Wave is Gathering

Mon May 25 10:24:42 EDT 2020

If the virus helps to convince Trump supporters to see how evil individual no. 1 is, there might be something good about it. Every death is still one too many. It is hard to understand how a president can go golfing while nearly 100,000 people in his country have died in a pandemic.-J.
-------- Original message --------From: Russ Abbott <russ.abbott at gmail.com> Date: 5/25/20  09:04  (GMT+01:00) To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group <friam at redfish.com> Subject: Re: [FRIAM] The Second Wave is Gathering Dale and Marcus put it all very sanely. I was talking specifically about my emotional reaction. It's not that I take delight in anyone's suffering or that I want us to spend our resources protecting reasonable people (which, of course, I do). I don't even want an invective to hurl.It's that I find myself hoping that the generic Trump fanboy comes down with COVID --- especially after being aggressively reckless as a political act. It's similar to what Nick said (told you so; serves you right) but, now that I think about it, a bit more on the abstract level. I don't want real people to suffer, but in the service of moving the political needle, I'd be happy to see the generic Trump supporter having problems. I would feel terrible if somehow as a result of my wishes, lots of red-state people ended up on ventilators. I want the red states themselves on ventilators, not the flesh-and-blood individuals in those states.On Sun, May 24, 2020 at 9:42 PM Marcus Daniels <marcus at snoutfarm.com> wrote:

Nick, for me, that’s not it either.  

I hope that reasonable people won’t waste time protecting unreasonable people from themselves, and will focus on protecting other reasonable people, and the innocent.   Specifically, to your interpretation, I will not value their regret
 and do not seek it.

The stakes are high, with COVID-19, climate change, and many other things.

Marcus

From: Friam <friam-bounces at redfish.com> on behalf of "thompnickson2 at gmail.com" <thompnickson2 at gmail.com>
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Date: Sunday, May 24, 2020 at 9:05 PM
To: 'The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group' <friam at redfish.com>
Subject: Re: [FRIAM] The Second Wave is Gathering

Dale,

What’s the German word for, I told you so, suckah!  I agree that it’s not quite schadenfreude, but it’s pretty darned close.

Oh, it appears to be “Ich habe es dir gesagt, Trottel”

That comes off the tongue pretty good, too.  If invective is what one is after, it’s hard to beat german.

NIck

Nicholas Thompson
Emeritus Professor of Ethology and Psychology
Clark University
ThompNickSon2 at gmail.com
https://wordpress.clarku.edu/nthompson/

From: Friam <friam-bounces at redfish.com> On Behalf Of
Dale Schumacher
Sent: Sunday, May 24, 2020 9:30 PM
To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group <friam at redfish.com>
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It seems to me that this is a misapplication of the term schadenfreude. Assume Russ feels that same way I do, I would clarify that I do not "take delight in the suffering of another". Rather that I hope that a population that
 is making horrible choices will directly experience the consequences of those choices, and thus perhaps reconsider them. Unfortunately, there will also be a lot of collateral damage, but "natural selection" has always been a blunt instrument...

On Sat, May 23, 2020 at 6:12 PM <thompnickson2 at gmail.com> wrote:

This emotion, culpable though it may be, is so common there is a german word for it,
schadenfreude.

Doesn’t that just roll off the tongue?

n

Nicholas Thompson
Emeritus Professor of Ethology and Psychology
Clark University
ThompNickSon2 at gmail.com
https://wordpress.clarku.edu/nthompson/

From: Friam <friam-bounces at redfish.com>
On Behalf Of Russ Abbott
Sent: Saturday, May 23, 2020 5:21 PM
To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group <friam at redfish.com>
Subject: Re: [FRIAM] The Second Wave is Gathering

I feel ethically corrupt to find myself hoping for a spike in COVID incidents among Trump voters. But in
 fact, that's what I'm hoping for.

On Sat, May 23, 2020 at 4:11 PM David Eric Smith <desmith at santafe.edu> wrote:

One should do a regression against the popular vote and against the electoral vote.  See if the difference between those regression coefficients carries even more information than
 the separate values.

On May 24, 2020, at 4:04 AM, <thompnickson2 at gmail.com> <thompnickson2 at gmail.com>
 wrote:

https://www.brookings.edu/blog/the-avenue/2020/05/07/as-states-reopen-covid-19-is-spreading-into-even-more-trump-counties/

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