[FRIAM] "higher" education

[Frank Wimberly]

Steve, I am sure that my brother-in-law, who got his MD at Harvard after
his undergraduate study there would enjoy talking to your daughter and
would treat her as a full equal.  I've never seen him acting superior to a
colleague based on what school they went to.  Same for my wife.

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Frank C. Wimberly
140 Calle Ojo Feliz,
Santa Fe, NM 87505

505 670-9918
Santa Fe, NM

On Fri, May 29, 2020, 4:51 PM Steve Smith <sasmyth at swcp.com> wrote:

> My daughter  chose (with my strong advice) to get her undergrad from UCSC
> instead of UCB (accepted but the academic scholarships she was offered
> would have left her with a $50K debt after 4 years).   She was shooting for
> an MD at that point, and entering Med School with that kind of debt seemed
> ridiculous...  she ended up doing a PhD at UNM (Molecular Bio) with a fully
> funded GRA position instead of UCB (where she would have incurred similar
> debts in SPITE of a GRA offer there also).  She went into the workforce
> with $0 student debt very intentionally.
>
> She feels as well prepared as any of her peers (and more dedicated than
> many) in her field (virology, flavi-virus specialty), yet feels mildly
> excluded from some circles of IVY or neoIVY or ??? similarly elite school
> alumni.   There is a good-ole-boys-and-girls club in her world (or her
> apprehension of her world) which has her being treated as "less than".
>
> Maybe this isn't real, or it is latent.   But she lives it viscerally,
> especially during funding cycles.
>
>
>
> On 5/29/20 4:37 PM, Frank Wimberly wrote:
>
> The mean household assets of the 1% exceeds $10 million.  My wife and her
> brother both graduated from Harvard.  Their parents paid for their expenses
> out-of-pocket.  My in-laws were nowhere near the 1%.  My FIL was an
> attorney and a member of Governor Kerner's Human Rights Commission.  My
> wife's mother was a freelance writer who had published a couple of books
> and many articles in popular magazines.  Both my wife and my brother-in-law
> received excellent educations.  Yes, Nick, they were well-educated before
> they got to Harvard.
>
> Frank
>
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> Frank C. Wimberly
> 140 Calle Ojo Feliz,
> Santa Fe, NM 87505
>
> 505 670-9918
> Santa Fe, NM
>
> On Fri, May 29, 2020, 9:08 AM Prof David West <profwest at fastmail.fm>
> wrote:
>
>> Scott Galloway (professor at  Stern School of business and supposed
>> authority) on universities post COVID.
>>
>> Fifty percent of the investment in prestige university education is for
>> 'certification' —  degree that signals your lifetime earnings. The Harvard
>> brand is strong enough that students will accept an inferior educational
>> experience. The fifty biggest university brands, Harvard, Stanford, etc,
>> will partner with tech giants like Apple or Facebook to create a hybrid
>> university, most others will hollow out and die like the large department
>> store chains. Dorm life and in-person experience will be reserved for
>> children of the 1%.
>>
>> Pretty bleak and a commentary on previous FRIAM conversations about
>> education and elite universities.
>>
>> davew
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