[FRIAM] election eve

Wed Nov 4 13:58:03 EST 2020

FWIW and then similarly someone came up with:

/*It's those with insight who must make the concessions*/.

(which sucks).

On "half the country is batshit crazy" - to be generous a big percentage 
of voters were struggling making a living or making ends meet, raising 
kids, making payments, etc., before COVID-19. With LOUD voices on both 
sides I see a messaging saturation effect and voters making a relatively 
random choice, or voting R because they always did, and this partly 
because they don't have the time or luxury to figure out anything 
better. Why else would races be so tight when a landslide should have 
happened? People continue to not vote in their own interest.

Robert C

On 11/4/20 11:26 AM, thompnickson2 at gmail.com wrote:
>
> The fundamental challenge of being a liberal, in the classical sense, 
> is that it obligates you to try to understand the desires and fears of 
> those who disagree with you
>
> Boy, Howdy.  You got that one right!
>
> Nick
>
> Nicholas Thompson
>
> Emeritus Professor of Ethology and Psychology
>
> Clark University
>
> ThompNickSon2 at gmail.com <mailto:ThompNickSon2 at gmail.com>
>
> https://wordpress.clarku.edu/nthompson/
>
> *From:* Friam <friam-bounces at redfish.com> *On Behalf Of *Eric Charles
> *Sent:* Wednesday, November 4, 2020 12:18 PM
> *To:* The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group 
> <friam at redfish.com>
> *Subject:* Re: [FRIAM] election eve
>
> " they cannot under stand why I am scared by Trump, any more than I 
> could understand why they were scared by Obama "
>
> I know it's a bit of a tangent... but is that actually true?
>
> I'm not sure I've ever found it overly hard to understand why other 
> people are afraid of things I'm not. Talk to people for a while, poke 
> and prod at their ideas, observe their behavior, etc. It's not 
> instantaneous, but I understand lots of things people were scared 
> about under Obama (some of which happened, some of which would have 
> happened if the Democrats had kept congress, and others of which were 
> never going to happen in a million years).
>
> The fundamental challenge of being a liberal, in the classical sense, 
> is that it obligates you to try to understand the desires and fears of 
> those who disagree with you. The fundamental benefit of being 
> authoritarian is that it comes with no such obligation.
>
> On Wed, Nov 4, 2020 at 1:05 PM <thompnickson2 at gmail.com 
> <mailto:thompnickson2 at gmail.com>> wrote:
>
>     Gary,
>
>     If you want to live in the bubble for a few more hours, try
>
>     https://abc.com/watch-live/abc-news
>
>     Marcus,  The message I am getting from those folks is something
>     like: "We tried rationality for 50 years and look where it got
>     us;  let's try crazy for 4 more years."
>
>     I know two trump supporters quite well.  Mind you, we don't talk
>     politics that much.  Both are owners of small businesses who have
>     led the highly regulated lives that folks must lead if they are
>     going to make money in a politically diverse community.  Both
>     [thought they] saw gains from the Tax Cuts.  I think both think
>     the economic policies have been good for them and they find the
>     crazy stuff kinda fun.  Like a bit of a wild fling.  They
>     certainly don't take those things any more seriously than I took
>     Clinton, with whatsername under the Resolute Desk, while he was
>     negotiating with the Majority Leader.  Tsk Tsk, I say and them
>     move on.  That's what they do, and they cannot under stand why I
>     am scared by Trump, any more than I could understand why they were
>     scared by Obama.  I once called one of my relatives in Texas
>     during the bush/Kerry election, because she had been born in
>     Massachusetts and I thought she could help me understand. "I think
>     that man is dangerous," she said.  I agreed, thinking she was
>     talking about Bush.  "Yes," she went on. "No telling what he will
>     do if he and the democrats get in."
>
>     Kerry, DANGEROUS?  My god that man was scared of getting tomato
>     sauce on his polo shirt.  But she really was quaking with fear.. 
>     Just like I am now.
>
>     The one I really am scared of is McConnell.  Hitler got in because
>     the cartels that dominated German politics thought they could
>     "use" him. Look how that turned out.
>
>     Nick
>
>     Nick
>
>     Nicholas Thompson
>     Emeritus Professor of Ethology and Psychology
>     Clark University
>     ThompNickSon2 at gmail.com <mailto:ThompNickSon2 at gmail.com>
>     https://wordpress.clarku.edu/nthompson/
>
>
>
>     -----Original Message-----
>     From: Friam <friam-bounces at redfish.com
>     <mailto:friam-bounces at redfish.com>> On Behalf Of Marcus Daniels
>     Sent: Wednesday, November 4, 2020 11:24 AM
>     To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group
>     <friam at redfish.com <mailto:friam at redfish.com>>
>     Subject: Re: [FRIAM] election eve
>
>     Yeah, the main take home to me is the same as before: Almost half
>     the country is batshit crazy.
>
>     -----Original Message-----
>     From: Friam <friam-bounces at redfish.com
>     <mailto:friam-bounces at redfish.com>> On Behalf Of u?l? ???
>     Sent: Wednesday, November 4, 2020 9:22 AM
>     To: friam at redfish.com <mailto:friam at redfish.com>
>     Subject: Re: [FRIAM] election eve
>
>     Right. So both the guardian and nyt show called Biden: 227, Trump:
>     213 with PA(20), NC(15), and GA(16) toward Trump and MI(16),
>     WI(10), NV(6), and AZ(11) toward Biden.
>
>     227+16+10+11+6 = 270
>     213+3+15+20+16 = 267
>
>     I don't think there's a reason to be optimistic ... cautiously or
>     not. Regardless of which value the artificially binary outcome
>     lands on, it's the closeness of it that causes the problems.
>
>     On 11/4/20 9:08 AM, Marcus Daniels wrote:
>     > Biden has got a 270 vs. 267 last time I checked, assuming he
>     can’t take Pennsylvania.
>
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