[FRIAM] election eve

[Marcus Daniels]

https://www.washingtonpost.com/outlook/measuring-the-authoritarian-mind-set-of-trumps-followers/2020/10/01/23490cc8-ea38-11ea-970a-64c73a1c2392_story.html

From: Friam <friam-bounces at redfish.com> On Behalf Of Jochen Fromm
Sent: Thursday, November 5, 2020 12:46 PM
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Subject: Re: [FRIAM] election eve

Do you have an idea why so many people have voted for Trump despite all he has done? The cultural difference between the liberal urban centers and the conservative countryside can not be the only reason.

Is it FoxNews propaganda, racism or another unknown factor ?


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From: Frank Wimberly <wimberly3 at gmail.com<mailto:wimberly3 at gmail.com>>
Date: 11/5/20 21:08 (GMT+01:00)
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A large percentage of the variance between "us" and "them" seems to be living in a city vs living in the country.  Not all but a lot.

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On Thu, Nov 5, 2020, 12:59 PM Marcus Daniels <marcus at snoutfarm.com<mailto:marcus at snoutfarm.com>> wrote:
At some level I think we all recognize that the United States has been a predatory nation.   For centuries, the influential in this country arranged to take the things they wanted, even people.    We recognize that we have a better lifestyle than people elsewhere in the world.   Trump releases the shame that might cause us to consider repairing the harm we have done or at least work harder to justify our special status.   No, it is enough to join Team Trump and call those people names.   My dog would have the instinct to herd them, and she would be right.

From: Friam <friam-bounces at redfish.com<mailto:friam-bounces at redfish.com>> On Behalf Of Robert J. Cordingley
Sent: Thursday, November 5, 2020 11:08 AM
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Subject: Re: [FRIAM] election eve

NYT Nicholas Kristof ended his OpEd<https://www.nytimes.com/2020/11/04/opinion/donald-trump-election-2020.html> this morning with a paragraph that summarized my feeling entirely:

"So as I fret about Trump’s efforts to do Russia’s work and delegitimize this election, I also keep wrestling with this question: How is it that so many millions of Americans watched Trump for four years, suffered the pain of his bungling of Covid-19, listened to his stream of lies, observed his attacks on American institutions — and then voted for him in greater numbers than before?"

Last count per NYT, there have been 68,644,941 votes (47.8%) this morning for Trump. So many voters, that apparently don't see {choose your favorite crisis} as a key issue either, it boggles my mind. What have those movements done wrong? If I didn't understand how difficult it is to steal an election (detailed in another NYT oped today), I might even say there was something fishy.

Suggestions?

Robert C
On 11/4/20 5:59 PM, Eric Charles wrote:
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On Wed, Nov 4, 2020 at 5:31 PM Jochen Fromm <jofr at cas-group.net<mailto:jofr at cas-group.net>> wrote:
Both cnn.com<http://cnn.com> and foxnews.com<http://foxnews.com> report Biden will win Michigan and Wisconsin, and if he wins Arizona and Nevada too where he leads, he has 270 electoral votes. This means it looks good for Biden! All here hope that Joe wins.

-J.

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From: uǝlƃ ↙↙↙ <gepropella at gmail.com<mailto:gepropella at gmail.com>>
Date: 11/4/20 19:18 (GMT+01:00)
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Subject: Re: [FRIAM] election eve

One thing that confuses me is Trump being attributed 267 vs 268 EVs. But I suppose it could be Maine, with it's split representation:

https://www.cnn.com/politics/live-news/election-results-and-news-11-04-20/h_f5ca6d24c85ac45e193bf0b1c9b1a2f6


On 11/4/20 10:12 AM, Frank Wimberly wrote:
> Nick,
>
> See Glen's 270 to 267 estimate.  Biden may still win either Georgia or Pennsylvania or both because of the Democrat majority that is likely among the uncounted votes.  If any of that happens Biden wins with a margin.
>
[...]
>     Biden: 227, Trump: 213 with PA(20), NC(15), and GA(16) toward Trump and MI(16), WI(10), NV(6), and AZ(11) toward Biden.
>
>     227+16+10+11+6 = 270
>     213+3+15+20+16 = 267

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