[FRIAM] election eve

[Gary Schiltz]

I think the rural vs urban split is one of the main factors. Rural people
tend to be a lot more independent, less educated, and perhaps by a bit of
an inferiority complex, more prone to denying science (think climate change
and the Paris Accord). I also believe we Americans have a sense of
entitlement, with part of the national mythos being that old expression
"pull yourself up by your bootstraps" leading to belief that we have earned
their special place in the world. Trump really plays that up. There is also
certainly a mostly hidden undercurrent of racism (belief that black people
generally are lazy - Google for "welfare queen") and cultural jingoism
(belief that immigrants should assimilate and forget their home culture).
And then there is distrust of the federal government and anything that
might be considered socialist. I think we may ultimately discover that talk
by the most liberal faction of the Democratic party may have scared a few
centrists and invigorated the Republicans. There are other factors, but
those are some of the strongest. Sad to say, but Trump may actually more
accurately represent these values in us Americans.

On Thu, Nov 5, 2020 at 3:46 PM Jochen Fromm <jofr at cas-group.net> wrote:

> Do you have an idea why so many people have voted for Trump despite all he
> has done? The cultural difference between the liberal urban centers and the
> conservative countryside can not be the only reason.
>
> Is it FoxNews propaganda, racism or another unknown factor ?
>
>
> -------- Original message --------
> From: Frank Wimberly <wimberly3 at gmail.com>
> Date: 11/5/20 21:08 (GMT+01:00)
> To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group <friam at redfish.com>
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> Subject: Re: [FRIAM] election eve
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> A large percentage of the variance between "us" and "them" seems to be
> living in a city vs living in the country.  Not all but a lot.
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> On Thu, Nov 5, 2020, 12:59 PM Marcus Daniels <marcus at snoutfarm.com> wrote:
>
>> At some level I think we all recognize that the United States has been a
>> predatory nation.   For centuries, the influential in this country arranged
>> to take the things they wanted, even people.    We recognize that we have a
>> better lifestyle than people elsewhere in the world.   Trump releases the
>> shame that might cause us to consider repairing the harm we have done or at
>> least work harder to justify our special status.   No, it is enough to join
>> Team Trump and call those people names.   My dog would have the instinct to
>> herd them, and she would be right.
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* Friam <friam-bounces at redfish.com> *On Behalf Of *Robert J.
>> Cordingley
>> *Sent:* Thursday, November 5, 2020 11:08 AM
>> *To:* The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group <
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>> *Subject:* Re: [FRIAM] election eve
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>>
>>
>> NYT Nicholas Kristof ended his OpEd
>> <https://www.nytimes.com/2020/11/04/opinion/donald-trump-election-2020.html>
>> this morning with a paragraph that summarized my feeling entirely:
>>
>> "So as I fret about Trump’s efforts to do Russia’s work and delegitimize
>> this election, I also keep wrestling with this question: How is it that so
>> many millions of Americans watched Trump for four years, suffered the pain
>> of his bungling of Covid-19, listened to his stream of lies, observed his
>> attacks on American institutions — and then voted for him in greater
>> numbers than before?"
>>
>> Last count per NYT, there have been 68,644,941 votes (47.8%) this morning
>> for Trump. So many voters, that apparently don't see {choose your favorite
>> crisis} as a key issue either, it boggles my mind. What have those
>> movements done wrong? If I didn't understand how difficult it is to steal
>> an election (detailed in another NYT oped today), I might even say there
>> was something fishy.
>>
>> Suggestions?
>>
>> Robert C
>>
>> On 11/4/20 5:59 PM, Eric Charles wrote:
>>
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>> On Wed, Nov 4, 2020 at 5:31 PM Jochen Fromm <jofr at cas-group.net> wrote:
>>
>> Both cnn.com and foxnews.com report Biden will win Michigan and
>> Wisconsin, and if he wins Arizona and Nevada too where he leads, he has 270
>> electoral votes. This means it looks good for Biden! All here hope that Joe
>> wins.
>>
>>
>>
>> -J.
>>
>>
>>
>> -------- Original message --------
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>> From: uǝlƃ ↙↙↙ <gepropella at gmail.com>
>>
>> Date: 11/4/20 19:18 (GMT+01:00)
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>> To: friam at redfish.com
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>> Subject: Re: [FRIAM] election eve
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>>
>>
>> One thing that confuses me is Trump being attributed 267 vs 268 EVs. But
>> I suppose it could be Maine, with it's split representation:
>>
>>
>> https://www.cnn.com/politics/live-news/election-results-and-news-11-04-20/h_f5ca6d24c85ac45e193bf0b1c9b1a2f6
>>
>>
>> On 11/4/20 10:12 AM, Frank Wimberly wrote:
>> > Nick,
>> >
>> > See Glen's 270 to 267 estimate.  Biden may still win either Georgia or
>> Pennsylvania or both because of the Democrat majority that is likely among
>> the uncounted votes.  If any of that happens Biden wins with a margin.
>> >
>> [...]
>> >     Biden: 227, Trump: 213 with PA(20), NC(15), and GA(16) toward Trump
>> and MI(16), WI(10), NV(6), and AZ(11) toward Biden.
>> >
>> >     227+16+10+11+6 = 270
>> >     213+3+15+20+16 = 267
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