[FRIAM] Biden beats Trump

Wed Nov 11 12:38:47 EST 2020

Steve, 

Did you hear the interview with the nice young man who thought that we should suspend the constitution for the next 20 years and let the Trump family handle things.  It was said completely guilelessly.  

Nick 

Nicholas Thompson

Emeritus Professor of Ethology and Psychology

Clark University

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From: Friam <friam-bounces at redfish.com> On Behalf Of Roger Critchlow
Sent: Wednesday, November 11, 2020 11:29 AM
To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group <friam at redfish.com>
Subject: Re: [FRIAM] Biden beats Trump

My generous read is that the Trump enablers are allowing Trump to rage for a while, let the lawsuits demonstrate their pointlessness, let him fiddle with the government pointlessly, and hope that he'll come up with a suitably Trumpian way to concede while not conceding, probably a grandiose resignation.  Arguing with him about this is clearly a one way ticket to his shit list, and having watched him rally so many voters to his candidacy they are loathe to give even the least hint of abandoning him.  The TV networks taking his rants about fraud off the air probably discourages him more than anything else.   Maybe we should offer to throw him a state funeral -- with tanks and flyovers -- for the end of his term?  And promise that everyone will say it had better ratings than the Biden inauguration?

The exit polls heard that 34% of voters voted the economy,   On TV I saw a black business woman from North Carolina say her vote for Trump was about the way he was making it easier for her business to succeed.  Then I heard a young latino from Florida say his vote was against the democrat socialist tendencies.  I listened to a neighbor from the projects, who actually voted Biden, rant about the evil of a welfare system that has institutionalized single motherhood as a career and intergenerational family tradition.  These aren't the typical voices of Trump's base, these are traditional Republican issues:  government regulations hurt business; you can't fix the world by telling it to be better, no matter what penalties;  the best intentions can have unintended consequences worse than the original disease.  These people weren't voting for rascism, misogyny, narcissism, authoritarianism, xenophobia, gimp shaming, science denialism, or all that other baggage, they were overlooking it for reasons.

It might be my own fantasy, but I think a majority of Americans do not disagree about the ends.  They would prefer an equitable society where none of the usual suspects biased any one person's pursuit of happiness in life.  They would prefer to live in a world where environmental disasters large and small were not lurking around every turn of the season.  They would prefer if the rest of the world enjoyed the prosperity and freedom that we have here.  But there is a disagreement about the means to these ends that's been a Democrat/Republican talking point for almost a hundred years now.

I think the Democrats and Progressives need to eviscerate the Trump coalition by persuading the rational part of Trump's vote that it doesn't need hold their nose and vote for Trump to be heard.  Well, I guess they did have to, but they won't have to in the future.  That will be an interesting feat of bipartisanship if Biden can pull it off.  Call it the New Way Forward.

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On Wed, Nov 11, 2020 at 8:48 AM David Eric Smith <desmith at santafe.edu <mailto:desmith at santafe.edu> > wrote:

Yes, much agreed Glen.

I am getting to the point where something combining tedium and stress-narcolepsy puts me to sleep, wading through more newspaper articles saying in (performative?) outrage: McConnell has just said this self-contradictory and hypocritical thing!  How could he!  How can his supporters not recognize this!  etc.

Yes.  And Duterte and MBS have just had some more people killed, and Putin has poisoned somebody else.  They will cease to do this when they are stopped, and not before.  Their followers and collaborators too.  So what’s the plan?

Will be interesting if trump is firing people at DOD, in the Pentagon, etc., because he wants, together with Pompeo and Barr, to try some military move against either the US public, or some other country to create some leverage situation against the US public.  My mind doesn’t work in a way that recognizes what might be appealing to them to try in that arena.  

Best, so to speak, 

Eric

> On Nov 10, 2020, at 11:07 AM, uǝlƃ ↙↙↙ <gepropella at gmail.com <mailto:gepropella at gmail.com> > wrote:
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> Yep. The other thread talking about uniting us in the face of polarization seem to miss this point. One pundit expressed it well "You don't seek unity with your abuser." As Barr and a host of Republicans, including McConnell <https://www.nytimes.com/2020/11/09/us/politics/republicans-trump-concede-2020-election.html>, continue to hypocritically undermine the electoral process, any attempt to "unite" with them is akin to co-dependency with a narcissist spouse.
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> *After* the dust settles, Biden has no choice but to wrangle and hog-tie the bad faith actors into productive behavior. But until then, everyone who continues making unsubstantiated claims of fraud should be seen as what they are. Skepticism is a good mistress, but a bad master.
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> On 11/9/20 5:09 PM, David Eric Smith wrote:
>> Those with access to Georgia TV stations can watch David Perdue and Kelly Loeffler make a pack and attack Raffensperger, or whatever his name is — the election commissioner — because he ran an actually remarkably competent and clean election, rather than stealing it for them.  Pretty transparent.
>> 
>> I was impressed and thought he deserved a lot of credit.  Of course Stacey Abrams is a hero, but that’s another story.
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