[FRIAM] Biden beats Trump
Steve Smith
sasmyth at swcp.com
Wed Nov 11 13:09:11 EST 2020
> Steve,
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> Did you hear the interview with the nice young man who thought that we
> should suspend the constitution for the next 20 years and let the
> Trump family handle things. It was said completely guilelessly.
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> Nick
>
This was Roger's Rant, (Rave, more apropos?) not mine, though I do
approve/endorse it. Am I that much of a chameleon that you mistook his
voice for mine?
-Steve
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>
> Nicholas Thompson
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> Emeritus Professor of Ethology and Psychology
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> Clark University
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> ThompNickSon2 at gmail.com <mailto:ThompNickSon2 at gmail.com>
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> https://wordpress.clarku.edu/nthompson/
> <https://wordpress.clarku.edu/nthompson/>
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> *From:* Friam <friam-bounces at redfish.com> *On Behalf Of *Roger Critchlow
> *Sent:* Wednesday, November 11, 2020 11:29 AM
> *To:* The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group
> <friam at redfish.com>
> *Subject:* Re: [FRIAM] Biden beats Trump
>
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> My generous read is that the Trump enablers are allowing Trump to rage
> for a while, let the lawsuits demonstrate their pointlessness, let him
> fiddle with the government pointlessly, and hope that he'll come up
> with a suitably Trumpian way to concede while not conceding, probably
> a grandiose resignation. Arguing with him about this is clearly a one
> way ticket to his shit list, and having watched him rally so many
> voters to his candidacy they are loathe to give even the least hint of
> abandoning him. The TV networks taking his rants about fraud off the
> air probably discourages him more than anything else. Maybe we
> should offer to throw him a state funeral -- with tanks and flyovers
> -- for the end of his term? And promise that everyone will say it had
> better ratings than the Biden inauguration?
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> The exit polls heard that 34% of voters voted the economy, On TV I
> saw a black business woman from North Carolina say her vote for Trump
> was about the way he was making it easier for her business to
> succeed. Then I heard a young latino from Florida say his vote was
> against the democrat socialist tendencies. I listened to a neighbor
> from the projects, who actually voted Biden, rant about the evil of a
> welfare system that has institutionalized single motherhood as a
> career and intergenerational family tradition. These aren't the
> typical voices of Trump's base, these are traditional Republican
> issues: government regulations hurt business; you can't fix the world
> by telling it to be better, no matter what penalties; the best
> intentions can have unintended consequences worse than the original
> disease. These people weren't voting for rascism, misogyny,
> narcissism, authoritarianism, xenophobia, gimp shaming, science
> denialism, or all that other baggage, they were overlooking it for
> reasons.
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> It might be my own fantasy, but I think a majority of Americans do not
> disagree about the ends. They would prefer an equitable society where
> none of the usual suspects biased any one person's pursuit of
> happiness in life. They would prefer to live in a world where
> environmental disasters large and small were not lurking around every
> turn of the season. They would prefer if the rest of the world
> enjoyed the prosperity and freedom that we have here. But there is a
> disagreement about the means to these ends that's been a
> Democrat/Republican talking point for almost a hundred years now.
>
>
>
> I think the Democrats and Progressives need to eviscerate the Trump
> coalition by persuading the rational part of Trump's vote that it
> doesn't need hold their nose and vote for Trump to be heard. Well, I
> guess they did have to, but they won't have to in the future. That
> will be an interesting feat of bipartisanship if Biden can pull it
> off. Call it the New Way Forward.
>
>
>
> -- rec --
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> On Wed, Nov 11, 2020 at 8:48 AM David Eric Smith <desmith at santafe.edu
> <mailto:desmith at santafe.edu>> wrote:
>
> Yes, much agreed Glen.
>
> I am getting to the point where something combining tedium and
> stress-narcolepsy puts me to sleep, wading through more newspaper
> articles saying in (performative?) outrage: McConnell has just
> said this self-contradictory and hypocritical thing! How could
> he! How can his supporters not recognize this! etc.
>
> Yes. And Duterte and MBS have just had some more people killed,
> and Putin has poisoned somebody else. They will cease to do this
> when they are stopped, and not before. Their followers and
> collaborators too. So what’s the plan?
>
> Will be interesting if trump is firing people at DOD, in the
> Pentagon, etc., because he wants, together with Pompeo and Barr,
> to try some military move against either the US public, or some
> other country to create some leverage situation against the US
> public. My mind doesn’t work in a way that recognizes what might
> be appealing to them to try in that arena.
>
> Best, so to speak,
>
> Eric
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>
> > On Nov 10, 2020, at 11:07 AM, uǝlƃ ↙↙↙ <gepropella at gmail.com
> <mailto:gepropella at gmail.com>> wrote:
> >
> > Yep. The other thread talking about uniting us in the face of
> polarization seem to miss this point. One pundit expressed it well
> "You don't seek unity with your abuser." As Barr and a host of
> Republicans, including McConnell
> <https://www.nytimes.com/2020/11/09/us/politics/republicans-trump-concede-2020-election.html
> <https://www.nytimes.com/2020/11/09/us/politics/republicans-trump-concede-2020-election.html>>,
> continue to hypocritically undermine the electoral process, any
> attempt to "unite" with them is akin to co-dependency with a
> narcissist spouse.
> >
> > *After* the dust settles, Biden has no choice but to wrangle and
> hog-tie the bad faith actors into productive behavior. But until
> then, everyone who continues making unsubstantiated claims of
> fraud should be seen as what they are. Skepticism is a good
> mistress, but a bad master.
> >
> > On 11/9/20 5:09 PM, David Eric Smith wrote:
> >> Those with access to Georgia TV stations can watch David Perdue
> and Kelly Loeffler make a pack and attack Raffensperger, or
> whatever his name is — the election commissioner — because he ran
> an actually remarkably competent and clean election, rather than
> stealing it for them. Pretty transparent.
> >>
> >> I was impressed and thought he deserved a lot of credit. Of
> course Stacey Abrams is a hero, but that’s another story.
> >
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