[FRIAM] Biden beats Trump

Steve Smith sasmyth at swcp.com
Wed Nov 11 13:09:11 EST 2020


> Steve,
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>  
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> Did you hear the interview with the nice young man who thought that we
> should suspend the constitution for the next 20 years and let the
> Trump family handle things.  It was said completely guilelessly. 
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> Nick
>
This was Roger's Rant, (Rave, more apropos?) not mine, though I do
approve/endorse it.  Am I that much of a chameleon that you mistook his
voice for mine?

-Steve

>  
>
> Nicholas Thompson
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> Emeritus Professor of Ethology and Psychology
>
> Clark University
>
> ThompNickSon2 at gmail.com <mailto:ThompNickSon2 at gmail.com>
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> https://wordpress.clarku.edu/nthompson/
> <https://wordpress.clarku.edu/nthompson/>
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>  
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> *From:* Friam <friam-bounces at redfish.com> *On Behalf Of *Roger Critchlow
> *Sent:* Wednesday, November 11, 2020 11:29 AM
> *To:* The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group
> <friam at redfish.com>
> *Subject:* Re: [FRIAM] Biden beats Trump
>
>  
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> My generous read is that the Trump enablers are allowing Trump to rage
> for a while, let the lawsuits demonstrate their pointlessness, let him
> fiddle with the government pointlessly, and hope that he'll come up
> with a suitably Trumpian way to concede while not conceding, probably
> a grandiose resignation.  Arguing with him about this is clearly a one
> way ticket to his shit list, and having watched him rally so many
> voters to his candidacy they are loathe to give even the least hint of
> abandoning him.  The TV networks taking his rants about fraud off the
> air probably discourages him more than anything else.   Maybe we
> should offer to throw him a state funeral -- with tanks and flyovers
> -- for the end of his term?  And promise that everyone will say it had
> better ratings than the Biden inauguration?
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>  
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> The exit polls heard that 34% of voters voted the economy,   On TV I
> saw a black business woman from North Carolina say her vote for Trump
> was about the way he was making it easier for her business to
> succeed.  Then I heard a young latino from Florida say his vote was
> against the democrat socialist tendencies.  I listened to a neighbor
> from the projects, who actually voted Biden, rant about the evil of a
> welfare system that has institutionalized single motherhood as a
> career and intergenerational family tradition.  These aren't the
> typical voices of Trump's base, these are traditional Republican
> issues:  government regulations hurt business; you can't fix the world
> by telling it to be better, no matter what penalties;  the best
> intentions can have unintended consequences worse than the original
> disease.  These people weren't voting for rascism, misogyny,
> narcissism, authoritarianism, xenophobia, gimp shaming, science
> denialism, or all that other baggage, they were overlooking it for
> reasons.
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>  
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> It might be my own fantasy, but I think a majority of Americans do not
> disagree about the ends.  They would prefer an equitable society where
> none of the usual suspects biased any one person's pursuit of
> happiness in life.  They would prefer to live in a world where
> environmental disasters large and small were not lurking around every
> turn of the season.  They would prefer if the rest of the world
> enjoyed the prosperity and freedom that we have here.  But there is a
> disagreement about the means to these ends that's been a
> Democrat/Republican talking point for almost a hundred years now.
>
>  
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> I think the Democrats and Progressives need to eviscerate the Trump
> coalition by persuading the rational part of Trump's vote that it
> doesn't need hold their nose and vote for Trump to be heard.  Well, I
> guess they did have to, but they won't have to in the future.  That
> will be an interesting feat of bipartisanship if Biden can pull it
> off.  Call it the New Way Forward.
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> -- rec --
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> On Wed, Nov 11, 2020 at 8:48 AM David Eric Smith <desmith at santafe.edu
> <mailto:desmith at santafe.edu>> wrote:
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>     Yes, much agreed Glen.
>
>     I am getting to the point where something combining tedium and
>     stress-narcolepsy puts me to sleep, wading through more newspaper
>     articles saying in (performative?) outrage: McConnell has just
>     said this self-contradictory and hypocritical thing!  How could
>     he!  How can his supporters not recognize this!  etc.
>
>     Yes.  And Duterte and MBS have just had some more people killed,
>     and Putin has poisoned somebody else.  They will cease to do this
>     when they are stopped, and not before.  Their followers and
>     collaborators too.  So what’s the plan?
>
>     Will be interesting if trump is firing people at DOD, in the
>     Pentagon, etc., because he wants, together with Pompeo and Barr,
>     to try some military move against either the US public, or some
>     other country to create some leverage situation against the US
>     public.  My mind doesn’t work in a way that recognizes what might
>     be appealing to them to try in that arena. 
>
>     Best, so to speak,
>
>     Eric
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>
>     > On Nov 10, 2020, at 11:07 AM, uǝlƃ ↙↙↙ <gepropella at gmail.com
>     <mailto:gepropella at gmail.com>> wrote:
>     >
>     > Yep. The other thread talking about uniting us in the face of
>     polarization seem to miss this point. One pundit expressed it well
>     "You don't seek unity with your abuser." As Barr and a host of
>     Republicans, including McConnell
>     <https://www.nytimes.com/2020/11/09/us/politics/republicans-trump-concede-2020-election.html
>     <https://www.nytimes.com/2020/11/09/us/politics/republicans-trump-concede-2020-election.html>>,
>     continue to hypocritically undermine the electoral process, any
>     attempt to "unite" with them is akin to co-dependency with a
>     narcissist spouse.
>     >
>     > *After* the dust settles, Biden has no choice but to wrangle and
>     hog-tie the bad faith actors into productive behavior. But until
>     then, everyone who continues making unsubstantiated claims of
>     fraud should be seen as what they are. Skepticism is a good
>     mistress, but a bad master.
>     >
>     > On 11/9/20 5:09 PM, David Eric Smith wrote:
>     >> Those with access to Georgia TV stations can watch David Perdue
>     and Kelly Loeffler make a pack and attack Raffensperger, or
>     whatever his name is — the election commissioner — because he ran
>     an actually remarkably competent and clean election, rather than
>     stealing it for them.  Pretty transparent.
>     >>
>     >> I was impressed and thought he deserved a lot of credit.  Of
>     course Stacey Abrams is a hero, but that’s another story.
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