[FRIAM] OFFLINE:Today's Sermon:: a minor awokening

[Steve Smith]

Frank -

I see your case for the Constitution-as-superego.   I guess I was
thinking more in the social-cultural sense than the political.   When we
were a predominantly religious (e.g. Christian) culture, perhaps it was
the various "Good Books" and the church leadership(s)... 
Priests/Pastors/Rabbis/Imams and such?

In spite of *many* giving lip service both to Constitution and Good
Books and 10point Tablets, and Golden Rules, it feels like the true
operating principles are at least similarly NeoDarwinism (of which I
think Stephen and Dave have both spoken against) and NeoLIberalism
(which many speak against, notably Glen here I think)  and .  

But these are more like abstractions and institutions rather than
dynamic-coherence-maintaining processes which is how I apprehend the id,
ego, superego to be?  While the Constitution is nominally a "living
document" (with amendments allowed)... the Good Book(s) are generally
not allowed to be revised (albeit continued revelations seem to be
common such as via Joseph Smith, David Karesh, a multitude of Yogis,
etc.)   I suppose that in some sense these artifacts encode/reflect the
superego, I'm maybe looking for something more "organic".   Any current
existing *governing body* would seem to be a somewhat more mutable
super-ego, and the pop-culture "equivalent" might be what?

- Steve


> p.s.  do a Google search of "superego", Steve.
>
> ---
> Frank C. Wimberly
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> On Sat, Sep 5, 2020, 7:12 PM Frank Wimberly <wimberly3 at gmail.com
> <mailto:wimberly3 at gmail.com>> wrote:
>
>     Well, you could say that the Constitution is a kind of superego. 
>     It's interesting that Trump resents the ways in which it
>     constrains him.  He tries to get around it with surprising success
>     thanks to sycophants like Barr et al.
>
>     ---
>     Frank C. Wimberly
>     140 Calle Ojo Feliz,
>     Santa Fe, NM 87505
>
>     505 670-9918
>     Santa Fe, NM
>
>     On Sat, Sep 5, 2020, 7:04 PM Steve Smith <sasmyth at swcp.com
>     <mailto:sasmyth at swcp.com>> wrote:
>
>         Frank -
>>           And that trait ingratiates with those amongst us who have
>>         base impulses for which we fear we might be shamed.
>>
>>         And that includes everyone.  But then most of us have
>>         superegos that constrain us.  Trump less so.
>
>         Ah, but HIS is a SuperDuperEgo... just ask him, he'll tell ya!
>
>         I don't know what your stake (or dog in the fight or ... pick
>         a metaphor) is regarding collective
>         consciousness/awareness/intelligence/wisdom/action in the
>         abstract but it seems your background would support having an
>         opinion or more to the point a thought-through-thought or two
>         on the topic.
>
>         If there are suitable parallels between individual
>         consciousness and collective versions of it, what would be the
>         superego of a culture, people, nation-state, etc.?
>
>         - Steve
>
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