[FRIAM] OFFLINE:Today's Sermon:: a minor awokening

[Frank Wimberly]

Yes, you could say that government in general and especially lawmakers are
our superego.  The best common word synonym for superego is conscience.
Since a lot of people have lacunae of their own superego we need laws and
law enforcers.

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Frank C. Wimberly
140 Calle Ojo Feliz,
Santa Fe, NM 87505

505 670-9918
Santa Fe, NM

On Sat, Sep 5, 2020, 7:48 PM Steve Smith <sasmyth at swcp.com> wrote:

> Frank -
>
> I see your case for the Constitution-as-superego.   I guess I was thinking
> more in the social-cultural sense than the political.   When we were a
> predominantly religious (e.g. Christian) culture, perhaps it was the
> various "Good Books" and the church leadership(s)...
> Priests/Pastors/Rabbis/Imams and such?
>
> In spite of *many* giving lip service both to Constitution and Good Books
> and 10point Tablets, and Golden Rules, it feels like the true operating
> principles are at least similarly NeoDarwinism (of which I think Stephen
> and Dave have both spoken against) and NeoLIberalism (which many speak
> against, notably Glen here I think)  and .
>
> But these are more like abstractions and institutions rather than
> dynamic-coherence-maintaining processes which is how I apprehend the id,
> ego, superego to be?  While the Constitution is nominally a "living
> document" (with amendments allowed)... the Good Book(s) are generally not
> allowed to be revised (albeit continued revelations seem to be common such
> as via Joseph Smith, David Karesh, a multitude of Yogis, etc.)   I suppose
> that in some sense these artifacts encode/reflect the superego, I'm maybe
> looking for something more "organic".   Any current existing *governing
> body* would seem to be a somewhat more mutable super-ego, and the
> pop-culture "equivalent" might be what?
>
> - Steve
>
>
> p.s.  do a Google search of "superego", Steve.
>
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> Frank C. Wimberly
> 140 Calle Ojo Feliz,
> Santa Fe, NM 87505
>
> 505 670-9918
> Santa Fe, NM
>
> On Sat, Sep 5, 2020, 7:12 PM Frank Wimberly <wimberly3 at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Well, you could say that the Constitution is a kind of superego.  It's
>> interesting that Trump resents the ways in which it constrains him.  He
>> tries to get around it with surprising success thanks to sycophants like
>> Barr et al.
>>
>> ---
>> Frank C. Wimberly
>> 140 Calle Ojo Feliz,
>> Santa Fe, NM 87505
>>
>> 505 670-9918
>> Santa Fe, NM
>>
>> On Sat, Sep 5, 2020, 7:04 PM Steve Smith <sasmyth at swcp.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Frank -
>>>
>>>   And that trait ingratiates with those amongst us who have base
>>> impulses for which we fear we might be shamed.
>>>
>>> And that includes everyone.  But then most of us have superegos that
>>> constrain us.  Trump less so.
>>>
>>> Ah, but HIS is a SuperDuperEgo... just ask him, he'll tell ya!
>>>
>>> I don't know what your stake (or dog in the fight or ... pick a
>>> metaphor) is regarding collective
>>> consciousness/awareness/intelligence/wisdom/action in the abstract but it
>>> seems your background would support having an opinion or more to the point
>>> a thought-through-thought or two on the topic.
>>>
>>> If there are suitable parallels between individual consciousness and
>>> collective versions of it, what would be the superego of a culture, people,
>>> nation-state, etc.?
>>>
>>> - Steve
>>>
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