[FRIAM] why some people hate cops

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Of course, it's fair to take text literally without reading *through* it. But given our rather incessant hand-wringing about metaphor on this list, I think it's fair to read "hate" figuratively, especially here. Marcus doesn't hate religious people. He probably doesn't even hate cops. If anything, the blame rests on me for using it in the Subject, even if my excuse is the original poster used it in the title of his video. That said, it's fair to discuss "safe spaces". I believe in them and that they're a good thing. But this list is not a safe space. We've discussed triggers quite a bit. I trigger a LOT! 8^D But I kinda regard that as a good thing. Only a psychopath is immune to triggers.

FWIW, I'd enjoy a discussion of science vs religion. We dance around it all the time. May as well target it directly.


On 9/24/20 11:15 AM, Stephen Guerin wrote:
>     Marcus writes:
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>        I guess the only thing I hate more than cops are religious people. 
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> As a list admin, this might be flaggable.  I'm not sure if expressing hatred of a protected class of people in of itself is hate speech- it seems to be at least up to the line. Ie, replace with "The two groups I hate more than cops are gays and black people" - would I have a responsibility to intercede?
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> As I consider the impotence of this group to take political action and incite political violence I consider the statement low to zero risk. I will take no action as a list admin. Intellectually, I would like to know where the line of hate speech is.
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> Now, as a fellow list member and religious person, I find your hate an opportunity for discussion and exploration.  I would estimate your emotion is held by at least a rough majority of list members.
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> The Science / Religion schism, I think it is one of the great divides in our political situation and may signify a phase transition in our culture as we stretch for new metaphors in scientific and spiritual understanding. The 2000-year old metaphors are certainly getting long in the tooth. Similarly, many on this list feel the 60-year-old scientific metaphors around fundamental questions of intelligence and living systems are in the process of updating and exploration. I suspect there will be opportunities for synthesis.
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>  Perhaps Merle would like to facilitate a virtualFriam on the topic.  


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