[FRIAM] Dancing Robots

Sat Apr 3 14:24:13 EDT 2021

You darned cynics

https://spectrum.ieee.org/automaton/robotics/humanoids/darpa-selects-boston-dynamics-humanoid-for-robotics-challenge

https://www.themarlincompany.com/blog-articles/more-robots-workplace/

https://youtu.be/JGNopwFcz3A

I'll find some aiding-the-handicapped examples if you like.

Frank

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On Sat, Apr 3, 2021, 10:46 AM Steve Smith <sasmyth at swcp.com> wrote:

> The "dancing" robots certainly are compelling to view, though I can see
> why Gary asked if it was real or memorex (CGI)... there was enough uncanny
> valley going on in their moves to make it clear that they were following a
> prescribed choreography.   The miniscule detail in the dance moves is what
> I *think* makes it impressive.   I am doubting that the proportions and
> range of motion/etc of the robotic humanoids is as close to humans' as
> implied by the constraints (in software, in choreography) imposed.
>
> I also wonder how much of this is essentially driven by something like
> MoCap that is then tweaked to match the dynamical performance
> envelope/constraints of the robot simulacrum?   Or by derivation, ws ther
> some kind of machine learning going on on a *suite* of human MoCap data
> sets.   Or is there a very capable cyber-choreographer who implicitly
> understands the robot's "coupled impedance elements" in a way that allows
> them to hack/hint/nuance the instructions down to this level of performance?
>
> Are these class of robots targeted for mission-spec autonomy or are they
> more targeted to default to being Waldos with some self-driving constraints?
>
> I haven't tracked whether the Laban Notation movement has actually been
> useful to extend into robotic-motion...  it starts to seem relevant once
> humanoid Robots are presented dancing human-dances.
>
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Laban_movement_analysis
>
> The "impressive illusion" is that these Robots are responding to the music
> itself and to one another (couples dancing) in  a way that seems highly
> doubtful.   They appear to be merely very artful puppets with wireless
> "strings".    No small feat, bringing them to this point, but the most
> interesting/impressive aspects are likely careful bit-chiseling on the
> instruction sets.
>
>
> It would be more impressive if they were helping an elderly person go to
> the bathroom.   Chasing a person in irregular terrain would be convincing
> too.
>
> On Apr 3, 2021, at 9:00 AM, Gary Schiltz <gary at naturesvisualarts.com>
> <gary at naturesvisualarts.com> wrote:
>
> 
> Thanks for letting me know. In that case, it is truly mind blowing. I had
> no idea robotic tech had come so far.
>
> On Sat, Apr 3, 2021 at 10:57 AM Frank Wimberly <wimberly3 at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> Real!!
>>
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>> Frank C. Wimberly
>> 140 Calle Ojo Feliz,
>> Santa Fe, NM 87505
>>
>> 505 670-9918
>> Santa Fe, NM
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>> On Sat, Apr 3, 2021, 9:50 AM Gary Schiltz <gary at naturesvisualarts.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Serious question, since I didn't make it to vfriam yesterday. With the
>>> advances in CGI these days, I don't know if this is computer generated or
>>> real. Which is it?
>>>
>>> On Sat, Apr 3, 2021 at 10:02 AM Frank Wimberly <wimberly3 at gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> For those who haven't seen the video that was mentioned in yesterday's
>>>> meeting:
>>>>
>>>> https://youtu.be/fn3KWM1kuAw
>>>>
>>>> Marc has accomplished a lot since this:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>    - Raibert, M. H., Wimberly, F. C. 1984. Tabular control of balance
>>>>    in a dynamic legged system. *IEEE Trans. Systems, Man, and
>>>>    Cybernetics* 14:334--339.
>>>>
>>>>
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>>>> Frank C. Wimberly
>>>> 140 Calle Ojo Feliz,
>>>> Santa Fe, NM 87505
>>>>
>>>> 505 670-9918
>>>> Santa Fe, NM
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