[FRIAM] Free Willy into the Atlantic
Steve Smith
sasmyth at swcp.com
Sun Apr 4 19:24:56 EDT 2021
On 4/4/21 12:16 PM, Marcus Daniels wrote:
>
> I suppose I shouldn’t pick on academics. Patents are worse. With
> a patent, one prevents innovation by others and delays implementation
> by the “owner” whereby she loses the incentive to flesh out the
> details that are invariably absent in the disclosure. The point of
> liberalism is to enable the cicada to keep singing, because singing is
> a high-order behavior and grubbing around for food is a low-order
> behavior. The ant has tunnel vision and is merely surviving, taking
> up space for no reason other than to survive.
>
My post-LANL career includes to spectacular face-plants involving
someone else's "Patent Bull$hite". In both cases, "camera arrays", one
freeform (nominally planar) and the other spherical (nominally
inter-pupillary-distance-separated-eyes) which IMO were *full* of
technical holes and incompletenesses. I got sucked in over the spirit
of the technology and what it *could* be. It took me order years to
discover (in each case) that the economic drivers behind it all had no
interest in honestly advancing the technology beyond the conceptual
basis of the patents which were circa 1995 and whose earliest precedents
were as early as 1930 and by some stretch going all the way back to the
Greeks or at least Da Vinci. I lent them whatever credibility I had
(or could be imputed by my own background, if not my actual skillset)
and helped them defend their patents (one was going up against Disney
who was "infringing") and helped them idea-monger their way into getting
bought out by a bigger fish who got gobbled by a yet-bigger fish,
leaving me with unpaid invoices standing in line behind a long line of
similar folks. My bad for being a dumb business person. Yet, I also
saw the folly and the inevitibality of *Intellectual Property* in our
world. I don't know if the myriad white papers and opinions I wrote
for them hold under the NDAs I signed since in most cases I never
received (anywhere near) the full remuneration that was implied (but
silly me, not expressly stated in the NDAs as full contracts).
I would claim *virtually everything* I was doing with/for them and even
aspiring to do has been deprecated by advancements and can *now* find
academic papers from that era demonstrating that I was far from the only
one who understood the full (humbly, "broader") implications of the
technology and in fact, many exploited it (in a non-commercial way) in
exactly the ways I was trying to help my commercial patent-holders
exploit. It was their "close to the vest" stylization that kept them
from moving forward smartly and "striking while the iron was hot"... so
I don't really feel sorry for them missing their boat, nor me either.
I just wish I'd jumped in and started swimming confidently at the time,
I might have something more than old man stories and just so stories and
anecdotes for furlongs to offer for the experience. On the other hand,
I would have just managed to help "pave over the planet faster".. who
knew that my own (business) incompetence would turn out to be my
greatest (human) asset?
BTW... the grapes were sour (Aesop reference).
- Souze
>
>
> *From:* Friam <friam-bounces at redfish.com> *On Behalf Of *Steve Smith
> *Sent:* Sunday, April 4, 2021 10:44 AM
> *To:* friam at redfish.com
> *Subject:* Re: [FRIAM] Free Willy in the Atlantic
>
>
>
> Jochen -
>
> I grew up on Grimm (and Aesop, and Uncle Remus, and Kipling(thus all
> my "just so" stories)?) how ffffFFing GRIM! They were. A good
> counterpoint to the Little Red Hen/Frau Holle (Calvinist?) parables
> might be the "Ant and the Cicada" at least in the 18c French Version,
> where there is no judgement held (necessarily) against the Grasshopper
> by the Ant... allowing room for diversity of values and differing
> objects of value (the Ant valuing the Cicada/Grasshopper's music and
> exchanging his *hoard* of foodstuff in exchange for comraderie and
> entertainment). Some (Calvinists? Libertarians) would perhaps
> consider this translation an "apologistic" version, "letting the
> lazy/stuid Cicada off too easy". What WOULD Ayn Rand say?
>
> - SS
>
> The fable of the little red hen is unknown here in Germany, but
> everyone knows the fairy tales of the brothers Grimm. There is a
> fairy tale named "Mother Hulda" (Frau Holle) which is a parable
> that hard work is rewarded and laziness is punished. These fairy
> tales are similar to the parables in the Bible.
>
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frau_Holle
> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frau_Holle>
>
> -J.
>
>
>
>
>
> -------- Original message --------
>
> From: thompnickson2 at gmail.com <mailto:thompnickson2 at gmail.com>
>
> Date: 4/4/21 05:32 (GMT+01:00)
>
> To: 'The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group'
> <friam at redfish.com> <mailto:friam at redfish.com>
>
> Subject: Re: [FRIAM] Free Willy in the Atlantic
>
>
>
> Marcus hath wroth:
>
>
>
> I know Nick once dreamed of publications out of FRIAM.
>
>
>
> Nick doth reply:
>
>
>
> Well, I have already gotten two publications out of writing to
> this list (in part). It’s a case of little red hen
> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Little_Red_Hen> syndrome. Or
> perhaps the reverse: you all helped me and I still I ate all the
> bread.
>
>
>
> Nick
>
> Nick Thompson
>
> ThompNickSon2 at gmail.com <mailto:ThompNickSon2 at gmail.com>
>
> https://wordpress.clarku.edu/nthompson/
> <https://wordpress.clarku.edu/nthompson/>
>
>
>
> *From:* Friam <friam-bounces at redfish.com>
> <mailto:friam-bounces at redfish.com> *On Behalf Of *Marcus Daniels
> *Sent:* Saturday, April 3, 2021 11:33 AM
> *To:* The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group
> <friam at redfish.com> <mailto:friam at redfish.com>
> *Subject:* Re: [FRIAM] Free Willy in the Atlantic
>
>
>
> Part of the model would involve finding seasonality like that. A
> difficult part would be building the NLP capability to generate
> plausible sentences from each agent type. However, there’s a big
> archive to draw upon if one were to take a statistical inference
> approach. General dispositions would be pretty easy, I think.
> At least they are obvious to me. Also noteworthy is that there
> are classes of subconversations that I think just has to do with
> demographics. For example, remember the late XYZ.
>
>
>
> I know Nick once dreamed of publications out of FRIAM. I wonder
> if he’d settle for a finite state machine? If it all worked
> out, though, I’d have to find a replacement procrastination activity.
>
>
>
> *From:* Friam <friam-bounces at redfish.com
> <mailto:friam-bounces at redfish.com>> *On Behalf Of *Steve Smith
> *Sent:* Saturday, April 3, 2021 9:23 AM
> *To:* friam at redfish.com <mailto:friam at redfish.com>
> *Subject:* Re: [FRIAM] Free Willy in the Atlantic
>
>
>
> Marcus wrote:
>
> I once wrote an agent model of some of my colleagues. It was
> a minor catharsis. If I were to write one for agents that
> have first names that start with the letter “S”, I’d have a
> predicate that waited for a long thread to evolve, and then
> summarized them with a few tangential snarkier-than-thou
> remarks. It would be a better accomplishment to learn the
> deterministic agent behavior with a hidden markov model,
> maybe. Authorship comes with the ability to embellish, which
> is maybe one appeal of ABMs.
>
>
>
> So... "snarkier than thou" isn't the FriAM objective function?
> I'm sure I get a double-dose from having both first and last name
> beginning with 'S'. I should probably try reading with a
> different lens...
>
> To be fair (to me, because, who else?) I wrote that one much
> earlier in the thread than it appeared. I am fairly busy on
> Fridays which is one of the reasons I don't weigh in often on
> vFriam... but whilst in the spirit of April 1, I couldn't help
> misreading the original subject line. I might have taken the
> extra moment to trace the whole thread that followed, but I
> suppose I imagined everyone likely to weigh in on the thread was
> on vFriam beating the horse of free will with their gumflaps
> rather than their touchtyping. My bad.
>
> I *will* claim the title "more tangential than though" and maybe
> even "TL;DR-er than though", and as evidenced here "more
> self-explanatory than though".
>
> Your ABMs could be rather revealing and perhaps therefore
> entertaining...
>
>
>
> *From:* Friam <friam-bounces at redfish.com>
> <mailto:friam-bounces at redfish.com> *On Behalf Of *Steve Smith
> *Sent:* Friday, April 2, 2021 1:05 PM
> *To:* friam at redfish.com <mailto:friam at redfish.com>
> *Subject:* Re: [FRIAM] Free Willy in the Atlantic
>
>
>
> Dave West wrote:
>
> Pieter quoted: /"the brain is a physical system like any
> other, and we have no more will to operate it in a
> particular way than we will our heart to beat"./
>
>
>
> *But we do have the ability, and can "will" our heart to
> beat in a particular way.*
>
>
>
> Not only that, we (at least some individuals in the world)
> can control pretty much every aspect of our "autonomous
> nervous system." I learned how to generate alpha waves in
> my brain while awake and talking. Researchers recently
> conducted cogent conversations with individuals in the
> middle of lucid dreams. Then there is all the
> "bio-feedback" data and practices. Hundreds of similar
> examples could be cited.
>
>
>
> Just because we don't, as a general rule, does not mean we
> cannot.
>
>
>
> Not saying anything in this post is an argument for free
> will — just that the quoted argument against free will is
> fatally flawed.
>
> nahhh... it just looks like you (and the Swamis) can modify
> your autonomic functions and your brain waves... the fact is,
> given who you/they are in those circumstances, you *had* to,
> you couldn't have chosen to do otherwise! In fact you can't
> help but *believe* you had free will and exercised it, just
> like *I* who am sure you *don't* have free will have no choice
> but to believe *that*. Anything else is *inconceivable* !
> (/"there's that word again"/ -Inigio Martinez)
>
> Or at least *that* is what I choose to believe today. I
> wonder if I will have a choice about what I feel about all
> this today? Or after some more limp-noodle-beatings of the
> topic here?
>
> Arg,
>
> - Smarg
>
> PS... Don't free Willy in the Atlantic, his entire pod is in
> the Pacific. Was that a Trump-administration rule, that
> unaccompanied minor Orcas stuck in Seaworld can only be
> released in an ocean other than that of their origin! Happy
> onecet of April!
>
>
>
> davewest
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On Fri, Apr 2, 2021, at 7:10 AM, Pieter Steenekamp wrote:
>
> From a strict scientific perspective I accept that we
> don't have free will. I don't argue that we have free
> will. I accept, and I quote from the article quoted above:
>
> "the brain is a physical system like any other, and we
> have no more will to operate it in a particular way
> than we will our heart to beat". But...
>
>
>
> From how humans perceive our own actions, I assert
> that we do have free will of "some sorts''. Similar to
> some computer programs that also have free will of
> "some sorts". We all agree that AlphGo who beat Lee
> Sedol in Go does not have free will, it did exactly
> what the computer code instructed it to do, but it
> came up with creative play that the human programmers
> did not even know about. This is in my view also "some
> sorts" of free will.
>
>
>
> On Fri, 2 Apr 2021 at 14:15, Jochen Fromm
> <jofr at cas-group.net <mailto:jofr at cas-group.net>> wrote:
>
> Was it only 150 years ago when Charles Darwin
> first published 'On the Origin of Species' ? It
> feels longer. Interesting story from Stephen Cave
>
> https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2016/06/theres-no-such-thing-as-free-will/480750/
> <https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2016/06/theres-no-such-thing-as-free-will/480750/>
>
>
>
> -J.
>
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