[FRIAM] Free Will in the Atlantic

[Marcus Daniels]

The conversation can be about anything, but the subject line still references free will.   To those that say that free will makes sense once metaphysics can be specified, please specify a metaphysics where propositions can, well, at least be quantified in their truthiness and explain how it could happen.   Don't just lob back the tiresome definition of "selecting from a set of options" or other things that can be trivially implemented on a deterministic system and do not get over the bar to address the philosophically significant issue of whether we can really have control or not.

I see no reason to think quantum computers (or analog computers) could have free will, without making any claims about locality.   It still will require an apologist that tries to preserve the dignity of the dualist.  Dignity which they very much do not deserve.

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I'm more focused on the idea that humans might be able to do things we don't (yet) know how to do in computation, which is what the conversation is about. The QM-consciousness thing isn't important for that conversation. It's trivial for you to lob that criticism. You're not doing any work in lobbing it. But go ahead and keep throwing stones. It's a *free* country. >8^D

An example I've been struggling with is the tonk connective in logics. It seems like nonsense in some contexts, yet survives quite nicely in others.

On 4/5/21 8:12 AM, Marcus Daniels wrote:
> Penrose is just throwing more over the wall.   Go ahead, make the case how quantum mechanics results in free will.   Formal systems work fine there too.

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