[FRIAM] A Theory of (Almost) Everything - IEEE Spectrum

[Marcus Daniels]

The problem is what to do at night.   Santa Fe could invest in a big battery system to soak up excess during the day.
That means the city would have buy megawatt-scale batteries and homeowners would need to broadly deploy panels and/or have their own batteries.
How many people want another loan for a payoff that takes a decade to turn a profit?

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Pieter,

That just HAS to be wrong.  What am I missing, here?  NOT a rhetorical question.

Does anybody know, in orders of magnitude, the relation between the potential rooftop gain and the total energy needs of a place like Santa Fe?

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Yeah, just like we were seriously running out of stuff in 1980
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Simon%E2%80%93Ehrlich_wager
But of course, it's different this time around

On Thu, 15 Apr 2021 at 19:41, Merle Lefkoff <merlelefkoff at gmail.com<mailto:merlelefkoff at gmail.com>> wrote:
Nick, I think we have an energy supply problem.  We don't have enough stuff left in the ground to dig up to supply our technology much longer at a price anyone can afford.  I have a colleague who has calculated that we will run out of copper in three years, as just one example.  My understanding is that copper wire conducts most of our electricity.

On Thu, Apr 15, 2021 at 11:17 AM <thompnickson2 at gmail.com<mailto:thompnickson2 at gmail.com>> wrote:
Merle, and all,

A naïve question:  Do we have an energy supply problem or do we have an energy distribution problem?   For starters, let there be a solar collector on the roof of every house in santa fe, roughly the area of the roof (roofly the area of the rough?) .  Assuming energy were entirely miscible, what proportion of the total energy needs (except food, of course) of Santa Feans would that generate.  I assume hundreds of percents, right?

N

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Almost, but not quite, Jochen.  He doesn't know about embodied energy.  A motor car has an embodied energy contents of 20 800k kWh, while an electric car's embodied energy amounts to 34 700 kWh.  Perhaps if he knew this he wouldn't be so optimistic.  We are racing toward our doom.

On Thu, Apr 15, 2021 at 10:06 AM Jochen Fromm <jofr at cas-group.net<mailto:jofr at cas-group.net>> wrote:
Interesting IEEE podcast: an interview with Václav Smil, who wrote a book about "Grand Transitions", similar to "The Major Transitions in Evolution" from John Maynard Smith and Eörs Szathmáry
https://spectrum.ieee.org/podcast/geek-life/history/a-theory-of-almost-everything

-J.

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