[FRIAM] A Theory of (Almost) Everything - IEEE Spectrum

[Frank Wimberly]

Aluminum was used for wiring homes for a while until it was determined to
increase fire risk.  Perhaps some alloy of aluminum would be safe and
affordable.  Is William McCallum on the List?

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Frank C. Wimberly
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Santa Fe, NM 87505

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Santa Fe, NM

On Thu, Apr 15, 2021, 3:57 PM Merle Lefkoff <merlelefkoff at gmail.com> wrote:

> Pieter, your main assumption that is wrong is that there are no "upper
> limits."  That's just crazy!  Please do some research on planetary
> boundaries.
>
> People do not know that we are running out of copper, but as they find
> out, the price will go up, and if we have to suddenly find a
> replacement--like silver--the price will go up even more.
>
> On Thu, Apr 15, 2021 at 1:13 PM <thompnickson2 at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Pieter,
>>
>>
>>
>> I meant the “has to be” a bit ironically.  The sound of an ugly fact
>> puncturing a beautiful theory.  Psssssst!
>>
>>
>>
>> If I were to believe that populations were rising, that copper use was
>> rising,  that copper supplies were flat or dwindling, why would I not
>> expect copper prices to be rising?
>>
>>
>>
>> Which of my assumptions is wrong.
>>
>>
>>
>> Or is it your expectation that we will develop a plastic with the
>> conductive properties of copper?
>>
>>
>>
>>
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>>
>> Nick Thompson
>>
>> ThompNickSon2 at gmail.com
>>
>> https://wordpress.clarku.edu/nthompson/
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* Friam <friam-bounces at redfish.com> *On Behalf Of *Pieter
>> Steenekamp
>> *Sent:* Thursday, April 15, 2021 1:03 PM
>> *To:* The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group <
>> friam at redfish.com>
>> *Subject:* Re: [FRIAM] A Theory of (Almost) Everything - IEEE Spectrum
>>
>>
>>
>> Nick,
>>
>> I'm not with you, what HAS to be wrong?
>>
>> It's impossible to predict the future, anything could happen. I'm
>> particularly attracted to the views of David Deutsch. I quote from his
>> https://www.thebeginningofinfinity.com/ :
>> "  The resulting stream of ever-improving explanations has potentially  *infinite
>> reach*: we are subject only to the laws of physics, and they impose no
>> upper limit to what we can eventually understand, control, and achieve.
>> "
>>
>> Life on earth is good and is getting better and better for all of us.
>> Sure, a disaster could strike, nothing is inevitable, but I can see no
>> reason why the progress we have made HAS to stop. Why?
>>
>>
>>
>> On Thu, 15 Apr 2021 at 20:11, <thompnickson2 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> Pieter,
>>
>>
>>
>> That just HAS to be wrong.  What am I missing, here?  NOT a rhetorical
>> question.
>>
>>
>>
>> Does anybody know, in orders of magnitude, the relation between the
>> potential rooftop gain and the total energy needs of a place like Santa Fe?
>>
>>
>>
>> N
>>
>>
>>
>> Nick Thompson
>>
>> ThompNickSon2 at gmail.com
>>
>> https://wordpress.clarku.edu/nthompson/
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* Friam <friam-bounces at redfish.com> *On Behalf Of *Pieter
>> Steenekamp
>> *Sent:* Thursday, April 15, 2021 11:58 AM
>> *To:* The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group <
>> friam at redfish.com>
>> *Subject:* Re: [FRIAM] A Theory of (Almost) Everything - IEEE Spectrum
>>
>>
>>
>> Yeah, just like we were seriously running out of stuff in 1980
>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Simon%E2%80%93Ehrlich_wager
>> But of course, it's different this time around
>>
>>
>>
>> On Thu, 15 Apr 2021 at 19:41, Merle Lefkoff <merlelefkoff at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>> Nick, I think we have an energy supply problem.  We don't have enough
>> stuff left in the ground to dig up to supply our technology much longer at
>> a price anyone can afford.  I have a colleague who has calculated that we
>> will run out of copper in three years, as just one example.  My
>> understanding is that copper wire conducts most of our electricity.
>>
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Apr 15, 2021 at 11:17 AM <thompnickson2 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> Merle, and all,
>>
>>
>>
>> A naïve question:  Do we have an energy supply problem or do we have an
>> energy distribution problem?   For starters, let there be a solar collector
>> on the roof of every house in santa fe, roughly the area of the roof
>> (roofly the area of the rough?) .  Assuming energy were entirely miscible,
>> what proportion of the total energy needs (except food, of course) of Santa
>> Feans would that generate.  I assume hundreds of percents, right?
>>
>>
>>
>> N
>>
>>
>>
>> Nick Thompson
>>
>> ThompNickSon2 at gmail.com
>>
>> https://wordpress.clarku.edu/nthompson/
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* Friam <friam-bounces at redfish.com> *On Behalf Of *Merle Lefkoff
>> *Sent:* Thursday, April 15, 2021 10:51 AM
>> *To:* The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group <
>> friam at redfish.com>
>> *Subject:* Re: [FRIAM] A Theory of (Almost) Everything - IEEE Spectrum
>>
>>
>>
>> Almost, but not quite, Jochen.  He doesn't know about embodied energy.  A
>> motor car has an embodied energy contents of 20 800k kWh, while an electric
>> car's embodied energy amounts to 34 700 kWh.  Perhaps if he knew this he
>> wouldn't be so optimistic.  We are racing toward our doom.
>>
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Apr 15, 2021 at 10:06 AM Jochen Fromm <jofr at cas-group.net> wrote:
>>
>> Interesting IEEE podcast: an interview with Václav Smil, who wrote a
>> book about "Grand Transitions", similar to "The Major Transitions in
>> Evolution" from John Maynard Smith and Eörs Szathmáry
>>
>>
>> https://spectrum.ieee.org/podcast/geek-life/history/a-theory-of-almost-everything
>>
>>
>>
>> -J.
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