[FRIAM] Eternal questions

[Steve Smith]

I like the gesture of these works... that our apprehension of systems is
somehow the modulation of our coupling with them at different
frequencies (and thus scales)...   which is not the same as simply
"filtering"

It does seem as if "thinking" in it's broadest sense is a form of
coupling one's (somewhat isolated/insulated) dynamical system with
another external (ideally somewhat isolated) system.    This is the
"scoping" that happens in formal and informal modeling (analogy,
metaphor, etc.).

In one extreme, "mathematical thinking" couples logic with axioms, in
another, a highly trained/practiced predator/prey/hunter/gatherer
engages in an arbitrarily complex milieu (ecosystem, landscape) in a
highly effective way to optimize some kind of internal goals.   In the
middle would seem to be the range of "games" from crossword puzzles,
sodoku, tic-tac-toe, chess, go to croquet, soccer, cricket, competitive
curling, mixed martial arts, bare-knuckle big-game hunting.

Calling this "thinking", of course, diminishes what is more properly
called "being" I think ("I am"?) no matter if Descartes wanted to reduce
(human) being to (mere) thinking?

- Steve

On 8/26/21 9:05 AM, Curt McNamara wrote:
> Bucky Fuller on apprehension / comprehension of systems:
> http://www.rwgrayprojects.com/synergetics/s05/figs/f0901.html
> <http://www.rwgrayprojects.com/synergetics/s05/figs/f0901.html>
>
> We ignore larger / slower frequencies. We also ignore smaller / faster
> frequencies.
> http://www.rwgrayprojects.com/synergetics/s05/p0600.html#509.01
> <http://www.rwgrayprojects.com/synergetics/s05/p0600.html#509.01>
>
>            Curt
>
> On Thu, Aug 26, 2021 at 9:55 AM uǝlƃ ☤>$ <gepropella at gmail.com
> <mailto:gepropella at gmail.com>> wrote:
>
>     Ouch! Dude. No! 8^D You're committing the same sin Nick commits.
>     To say we "are" our emotions ignores the composition, the algebra
>     by which parts compose the whole.
>
>     The point is the very high order conscious *attention* to lower
>     order frequencies. Not all is one. There are many parts to
>     organize. How are they organized?
>
>     On 8/26/21 7:50 AM, Steve Smith wrote:
>     >
>     >>  E.g. when Bob wakes up startled, he interprets the situation
>     into "fear". But when Sally wakes up startled, she interprets the
>     situation into "excitement" or some other /a priori/, socially
>     limiting, filter category.
>     > Thus my earlier suggestion that "we" "are" our emotions?   Bob
>     *is* his
>     > propensity to read the lower-level response of "startlement"
>     (closer to
>     > autonomic) to "fear" (closer to choice).   Sally also as
>     "excitement".
>
>
>     -- 
>     ☤>$ uǝlƃ
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