[FRIAM] Eternal questions

Thu Aug 26 13:31:42 EDT 2021

Locating at least one kind of fear:
https://journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371/journal.pone.0006156

Billiard ball contact:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Contact_mechanics

Bucky spends a lot of time talking about our flat earth / Newtonian view of
Universe, while Einstein clearly showed us how things actually worked.

Many hits on kinds of fear, Psych Today says there are only 5:
https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/brainsnacks/201203/the-only-5-fears-we-all-share

My guess is that fear >> the subconscious takes precedence over the
conscious / rational. It has survival basis, so some of the types are
'hard-wired'.

Many of the strategies for dealing with fear are labeled grounding.
https://talkiatry.com/blog/grounding-techniques-anxiety-coping-strategies/

         Curt

            Curt

On Thu, Aug 26, 2021 at 11:39 AM <thompnickson2 at gmail.com> wrote:

> I hope EricC picks this up.  He has been too absent lately.  Damn him for
> having gotten an interesting job.
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> I guess I think in levels of organization, and my rants are always of the
> form, Grant Each Level Its Due and Do Not Confuse Them.  So you can
> discuss the amygdala all you want, but you still have not described, or
> identified, fear.
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> So, you ask, how would a person of my persuasion go about explaining the
> relation between the molecules in my skin  and the excitation of those
> elections that produce on my screen, what I am writing.  Never mind the
> socalled hard problem (the problem of the soul). Let’s figure out a way to
> talk about that.
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> Or for that matter, let’s make it even simpler:  Let’s talk about the
> relation between the molecules of a cue  ball that result in the motion of
> the eightball into a pocket and the loss of the game.   Let’s even do some
> spherical cowing here and assume that one, and only one molecule of the cue
> ball touches one and only one molecule of the eightball.  Is this a good
> model?   Have I understood the question right?
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> I don’t think Nick should say “I am my fear.”  I think he should say “I am
> the sum total of all the things that I do and that fear is one of the
> things I do”.   Or, perhaps, to put it in terms of experience-monism, “I am
> all that I experience and when I experience my flight behavior in relation
> to my experience of my circumstances I experience my fear.”
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> I have to get back to that message from EricS that I bungled my response
> to.
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> Nick
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> Nick Thompson
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> ThompNickSon2 at gmail.com
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> https://wordpress.clarku.edu/nthompson/
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: Friam <friam-bounces at redfish.com> On Behalf Of u?l? ?>$
> Sent: Thursday, August 26, 2021 11:24 AM
> To: friam at redfish.com
> Subject: Re: [FRIAM] Eternal questions
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> Very nice! What I keep *wanting* to hear from Nick or EricC is a mechanism
> by which very tiny, very fast processes inside the body interact with very
> tiny, very fast processes outside the body. I.e. a demonstration (or simply
> rhetoric) of membrane openness (permeability, lack of closure). I.e. not
> all tiny/fast processes are bundled up into larger/slower processes at the
> interface between inside and outside.
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> If they made that (inherently compositional) argument, then ... then then
> then, we could talk about a taxonomy of process from tiny/fast to
> huge/slow, across spatiotemporal and functional scales. And with such a
> taxonomy, we could talk about which ones facilitate the Markovian processes
> EricS mentioned, required to successfully challenge "the hard problem" from
> a behaviorist perspective.
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> On 8/26/21 8:05 AM, Curt McNamara wrote:
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> > Bucky Fuller on apprehension / comprehension of systems:
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> > http://www.rwgrayprojects.com/synergetics/s05/figs/f0901.html
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> > <http://www.rwgrayprojects.com/synergetics/s05/figs/f0901.html>
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> > We ignore larger / slower frequencies. We also ignore smaller / faster
> frequencies.
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> > http://www.rwgrayprojects.com/synergetics/s05/p0600.html#509.01
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> > <http://www.rwgrayprojects.com/synergetics/s05/p0600.html#509.01>
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> >            Curt
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> > On Thu, Aug 26, 2021 at 9:55 AM uǝlƃ ☤>$ <gepropella at gmail.com
> <mailto:gepropella at gmail.com>> wrote:
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> >     Ouch! Dude. No! 8^D You're committing the same sin Nick commits. To
> say we "are" our emotions ignores the composition, the algebra by which
> parts compose the whole.
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> >     The point is the very high order conscious *attention* to lower
> order frequencies. Not all is one. There are many parts to organize. How
> are they organized?
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> >     On 8/26/21 7:50 AM, Steve Smith wrote:
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> >     >>  E.g. when Bob wakes up startled, he interprets the situation
> into "fear". But when Sally wakes up startled, she interprets the situation
> into "excitement" or some other /a priori/, socially limiting, filter
> category.
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> >     > Thus my earlier suggestion that "we" "are" our emotions?   Bob
> *is* his
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> >     > propensity to read the lower-level response of "startlement"
> (closer to
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> >     > autonomic) to "fear" (closer to choice).   Sally also as
> "excitement".
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