[FRIAM] patriot hackers, again

[Gary Schiltz]

I agree with what you're saying, Marcus. I haven't seen any kind of
empirical studies, but my gut feeling is that mobs reinforce people's
willingness to be violent, and that willingness to participate in violent
acts, and the level of violence exhibited, grows exponentially with mob
size. If you can cut off the heads from the root of the tree, the smaller
sub-mobs should be overall less violent. The FBI should concentrate on
identifying and eliminating the "Billy Bob bin Ladens" higher in the
hierarchy of right-wing domestic terrorists.

On Tue, Jan 12, 2021 at 3:58 PM Marcus Daniels <marcus at snoutfarm.com> wrote:

> To me it an empirical question of whether many flee and give up when they
> believe the activity is criminal or taboo.
> If it is just a mass collective behavior that takes on a momentum of its
> own, then the FIRST thing to do is to stop the behavior.  Make it hard to
> communicate and deflate the mania.   One the noise has subsided then law
> enforcement can start working through the hard core set, one by one.
>
> Sure there will be covert mechanisms for communication that are employed.
>  But I posit that most people just don't have the energy to live in the
> shadows, along the lines of your remark about needing to feel like they
> belong.  They need to have a way to take advantage of civilization, like
> you say taking flights to and from D.C.
>
> With the highly partisan environment, doxing seems less likely to work.
> You'll be among sympathizers.
>
> When rocks start coming through their living room windows, then they will
> know they really have a problem.
>
> Marcus
>
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> My inclination is along the lines of the anarchists here in the PNW, to
> profile and dox them to their communities. If we've learned one thing from
> those apologetic trolls, it's that when they come face-to-face with their
> targets, both the troll and the victims experience epiphany. The troll
> realizes that words do matter and the victims realize that *anyone* can be
> radicalized.
>
> I know there's the risk of some (many?) of them digging in their heels.
> But even the most hardened supremacist or ideologue has trouble suppressing
> the social need to feel they belong.
>
> Of course, some of the doxing will only come if they're charged with
> something. The ones whining about being put on the no-fly list before they
> could get home is a good example. So, charging them with something may be
> required for an adequate doxing.
>
> Re: pulling the plug --
>
>
> https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/congress/extremists-move-secret-line-channels-plan-inauguration-day-d-c-n1253876
>
> It probably would have been better to enlist Amazon to keep Parler open as
> a honeypot. But we still have Gab, which is (kindasorta) distributed.
>
>
> On 1/12/21 11:29 AM, Marcus Daniels wrote:
> > What is the right question to ask of this data?   Who are the
> influencers?  Who creates new memes?
> > Pulling the plug seems to be a pretty good solution, actually.   Force
> social distancing, and for similar reasons.
>
>
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