[FRIAM] Newborn Heart Rate

Fri Oct 8 16:06:33 EDT 2021

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https://www.researchgate.net/publication/22148609_Newborn_Heart_Rate_and_Blood_Pressure_Relation_to_Race_and_to_Socioeconomic_Class

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Frank C. Wimberly
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On Fri, Oct 8, 2021, 1:04 PM Frank Wimberly <wimberly3 at gmail.com> wrote:

> This post actually has to do with newborn heart rate by race
>
> Here is a link to the abstract.  I'm going to see if I have the full paper
> in case anyone's interested
>
>
> https://www.researchgate.net/publication/22148609_Newborn_Heart_Rate_and_Blood_Pressure_Relation_to_Race_and_to_Socioeconomic_Class
>
> Frank
>
> On Fri, Oct 8, 2021 at 9:18 AM <thompnickson2 at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> I’m with David on this one.  Distinguishing between “real” and random
>> effects is what learning IS.  Of course, such judgements are never more
>> than probably true.
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>> N
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>> Nick Thompson
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>> ThompNickSon2 at gmail.com
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>> https://wordpress.clarku.edu/nthompson/
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>> *From:* Friam <friam-bounces at redfish.com> *On Behalf Of *Prof David West
>> *Sent:* Friday, October 8, 2021 2:49 AM
>> *To:* friam at redfish.com
>> *Subject:* Re: [FRIAM] Newborn Heart Rate
>>
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>> David Eric Smith wrote:
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>>
>> *"I cannot juggle hundreds of variables, and produce a result that would
>> fail _any_ test for randomness.  I can conceive that maybe there are people
>> smart enough to do that, but cannot imagine any-wise what it would feel
>> like to be one of them."*
>>
>>
>>
>> But  . . . . every human being does exactly that, all the time, more or
>> less effortlessly — certainly below the threshold of "conscious" awareness.
>> Billions of variables, including certain cell receptors "detecting" and
>> responding to quantum effects (like changes in spin induced by magnetic
>> fields).
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>>
>>
>> Some Asian philosophies (Jnana Yoga, Tibetan Tantra) and most of the
>> Alchemical literature can be read as efforts to "decompile" this ability,
>> make it conscious, and apply it in "ordinary reality."
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>> davew
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>> On Wed, Oct 6, 2021, at 9:28 AM, David Eric Smith wrote:
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>> Gilding the lily, since I don’t disagree with anything that has
>> specifically been said.
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>> I have felt like, somewhere between the deliberate distortion of Emerson
>> that reads “consistency is the hobgoblin of small minds”
>>
>> (Fun ref see
>> https://www.lawfareblog.com/foolish-consistency-hobgoblin-little-minds-metadata-stay
>>  )
>>
>> and what Scott Aaronson might call “the blankfaces of consistency”,
>>
>> there should be a sort of Herb Simon Watchmaker’s consistency.  The
>> ability to check a form for consistency — even if I am alert that the
>> system within which I am checking might be subject to overruling or
>> revision — allows me to get past one thing and go to the next.  To clip
>> together a sub-component of the watch and set it on the shelf, while
>> assembling other sub-components, or to take the sub-components and assemble
>> them relative to each other without having to constantly actively maintain
>> the innards of each.
>>
>>
>>
>> To somebody with my innate limitations, that seems among the most
>> valuable things in the world.
>>
>>
>>
>> DaveW wrote this fabulous paean to never calling anything done, some
>> months ago.  I can’t resurrect the text, and on my best living day could
>> not compose its equal, but the gist was that sciences in which one arrives
>> at conclusions are the pastimes of trivial minds.  Real Men do
>> anthropology, where nothing is ever closed.  In a lovely rant on what a day
>> in the life of a Real Man is like, a sentence contained a clause I am
>> pretty sure I do have verbatim: “ . . . , juggling hundreds of variables, .
>> . . “.
>>
>>
>>
>> I cannot juggle hundreds of variables, and produce a result that would
>> fail _any_ test for randomness.  I can conceive that maybe there are people
>> smart enough to do that, but cannot imagine any-wise what it would feel
>> like to be one of them.
>>
>>
>>
>> It seems it must be possible in this sense to cling to consistency like a
>> life-raft, yet not elevate it to aa religious icon.  After all, life rafts
>> only keep you alive, and in the big sweep of things, that isn’t _all_ that
>> important.
>>
>>
>>
>> Eric
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>> On Oct 5, 2021, at 11:56 AM, uǝlƃ ☤>$ <gepropella at gmail.com> wrote:
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>> Yeah, I'm perfectly aligned with the freak among freaks sentiment, though
>> I'd argue we *do* live in that world, we just deny it with our false
>> beliefs. "The problem with communication is the illusion that it exists."
>>
>>
>>
>> But the more important part of the argument surrounds whether
>> consistency, itself, is a matter of degree or kind. The analog world is
>> full of graded [in]consistency. You see it a lot with artifacts resulting
>> from welding, baking, brewing, etc. ... I even saw it often with the level
>> 3 drafting at lockheed. Any inconsistencies resulting from our designs, the
>> effete knowledge engineers, were *easily* overcome by the gritty
>> on-the-ground engineers ... like smoothing out burrs or gluing together
>> pieces that don't quite fit.
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>>
>>
>> In the special case of refined, crisply expressed propositions of digital
>> computation, inconsistency finding becomes a (perhaps the) powerful tool.
>> Debugging a serial program relies on it fundamentally. But it's softened a
>> bit in parallel algorithms. Inconsistency is broken up into multiple, yet
>> still crisp, types (race conditions, deadlocks, etc.). As approach "the
>> real world" and move away from digital computation, it seems, to my
>> ignorant eye, that [in]consistency softens more and more. Whether that
>> softening takes the form of a countable set of types or something denser, I
>> don't know. But it definitely takes on a different form.
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>>
>> Discussions like Frank and EricS are having about the stability of a
>> limit point (never mind the ontological status of that point) get at this
>> nicely. If you change the frame entirely (e.g. move to position-momentum)
>> and the "inconsistency" of the singularities *moves* (or disappears
>> entirely), then a focus on consistency is not as powerful of a tool. The
>> focus becomes one of which frame expresses the target domain "less
>> inconsistently" ... aka with fewer exceptions to the rule.
>>
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>>
>> Yes, I know I've completely abused the word and its normal meaning.
>>
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>> On 10/4/21 12:03 PM, Marcus Daniels wrote:
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>> I agree with some of that.   I mentioned the dependently typed
>> programming language as one technology to know when I am being
>> inconsistent.   It doesn't mean I stop everything to resolve the
>> inconsistency, but I might point the headlights in some other direction to
>> avoid the inconsistency (breadth first search instead of depth first).
>>   Inconsistency finding is a tool, and preferably a semi-automated one.
>>
>>
>>
>> I'd rather have the option of being a depth first searcher and not worry
>> about shelter and food and health care.   I'm not talented enough to be
>> among the small number of people that can survive (adequately) doing that
>> sort of thing.   I think I wouldn't even like it in general, even if I
>> were.   I don't like being the person that says something is irrelevant
>> because everything is irrelevant.   I'd like to be a freak among billions
>> of freaks that all admire the accomplishments of other freaks.   This is
>> not the world we live in, though.
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>> -----Original Message-----
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>> From: Friam <friam-bounces at redfish.com> On Behalf Of u?l? ?>$
>>
>> Sent: Monday, October 4, 2021 10:16 AM
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>> To: friam at redfish.com
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>> Subject: Re: [FRIAM] Newborn Heart Rate
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>> OK. But academia is in serious trouble, not least exhibited by the rise
>> of populism and anti-intellectual distrust of those who might be attracted
>> to depth-first search.
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>>
>> Another story: At the last salon, an entomologist asked me "Why do you
>> know so much philosophy?" My guess is he was actually trying to politely
>> criticize my incessant concept-dropping, referring to oblique discussions
>> that only occur amongst such depth-first people. The answer is I don't know
>> any philosophy. I'm the worst kind of tourist, trampling endangered species
>> while snapping selfies on my iPhone.
>>
>>
>>
>> But the deeper answer is that we don't need the academy anymore. What we
>> need are social safety nets that facilitate the diverse exploration of the
>> information field splayed out before us. If an unemployed snowboarder wants
>> to do the work to propose a new theory of everything, so be it. I'm willing
>> to sacrifice some of my income to help that happen, even if, or perhaps
>> because it may eventually be found contradictory to some other ToE
>> somewhere. But a consistency hobgoblin would nip that nonsense in the bud
>> at the first hint of contradiction ... like a blankface academic advisor in
>> some Physics department at some elitist institution.
>>
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>>
>> A focus on consistency is nothing more than subculture gatekeeping <
>> https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Gatekeeping>.
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>> On 10/4/21 10:01 AM, Marcus Daniels wrote:
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>> In some depth first search one might find a sub-problem that was
>> uncrackable.   If it is one of 100 problems to solve, it is dumb to get
>> hung-up on it, especially if it is of no practical significance.    But it
>> is a problem that will attract a certain kind of (autistic) academic
>> attention as well.
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>> --
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>> "Better to be slapped with the truth than kissed with a lie."
>>
>> ☤>$ uǝlƃ
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