[FRIAM] Newborn Heart Rate

Fri Oct 8 16:38:16 EDT 2021

https://www.researchgate.net/publication/353762832_Antenatal_and_perinatal_factors_influencing_neonatal_blood_pressure_a_systematic_review

Maternal ethnicity/race. The effect of maternal ethnicity on
neonatal BP is uncertain. Schachter et al. found higher DBP in
term neonates of African-American mothers at 3 days after birth
compared to white American infants (51.9 ± 6.7 mmHg versus
50.1 ± 6.6 mmHg; p =0.047), but no signiﬁcant difference in SBP
was observed (76.4 ± 8.3 mmHg versus 75 ± 8.4 mmHg) [23]. In
contrast, Zinner et al. reported no signiﬁcant difference in SBP
(74.1 ± 9.2 mmHg and 75.1 ± 11.2 mmHg respectively) or DBP
(51.3 ± 9.0 mmHg and 51.3 ± 10.6 mmHg) in neonates born to
white or African-American mothers [10]. Another prospective
cohort study by Schachter et al. comparing 111 African-American
with 136 white term newborn infants on day 3 after birth reported
a marginally higher SBP for the African-American newborns (mean
SBP 76.7 mmHg versus 74.3 mmHg; SD not reported; p=0.04).
However, when adjusted for number of feeds since birth, there
was no longer a signiﬁcant difference [24]

So the significance was p < 0.05 only because 0,047 < 0.05 when not rounded.

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On Fri, Oct 8, 2021 at 3:55 PM Frank Wimberly <wimberly3 at gmail.com> wrote:

> The full paper about newborn heart rate by race
>
>
> https://drive.google.com/file/d/1XRv3_a7Es2FjEP6aUMxx2x-hspBd-2KD/view?usp=drivesdk
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> On Fri, Oct 8, 2021, 1:04 PM Frank Wimberly <wimberly3 at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> This post actually has to do with newborn heart rate by race
>>
>> Here is a link to the abstract.  I'm going to see if I have the full
>> paper in case anyone's interested
>>
>>
>> https://www.researchgate.net/publication/22148609_Newborn_Heart_Rate_and_Blood_Pressure_Relation_to_Race_and_to_Socioeconomic_Class
>>
>> Frank
>>
>> On Fri, Oct 8, 2021 at 9:18 AM <thompnickson2 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> I’m with David on this one.  Distinguishing between “real” and random
>>> effects is what learning IS.  Of course, such judgements are never more
>>> than probably true.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> N
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Nick Thompson
>>>
>>> ThompNickSon2 at gmail.com
>>>
>>> https://wordpress.clarku.edu/nthompson/
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *From:* Friam <friam-bounces at redfish.com> *On Behalf Of *Prof David West
>>> *Sent:* Friday, October 8, 2021 2:49 AM
>>> *To:* friam at redfish.com
>>> *Subject:* Re: [FRIAM] Newborn Heart Rate
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> David Eric Smith wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *"I cannot juggle hundreds of variables, and produce a result that would
>>> fail _any_ test for randomness.  I can conceive that maybe there are people
>>> smart enough to do that, but cannot imagine any-wise what it would feel
>>> like to be one of them."*
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> But  . . . . every human being does exactly that, all the time, more or
>>> less effortlessly — certainly below the threshold of "conscious" awareness.
>>> Billions of variables, including certain cell receptors "detecting" and
>>> responding to quantum effects (like changes in spin induced by magnetic
>>> fields).
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Some Asian philosophies (Jnana Yoga, Tibetan Tantra) and most of the
>>> Alchemical literature can be read as efforts to "decompile" this ability,
>>> make it conscious, and apply it in "ordinary reality."
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> davew
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Wed, Oct 6, 2021, at 9:28 AM, David Eric Smith wrote:
>>>
>>> Gilding the lily, since I don’t disagree with anything that has
>>> specifically been said.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I have felt like, somewhere between the deliberate distortion of Emerson
>>> that reads “consistency is the hobgoblin of small minds”
>>>
>>> (Fun ref see
>>> https://www.lawfareblog.com/foolish-consistency-hobgoblin-little-minds-metadata-stay
>>>  )
>>>
>>> and what Scott Aaronson might call “the blankfaces of consistency”,
>>>
>>> there should be a sort of Herb Simon Watchmaker’s consistency.  The
>>> ability to check a form for consistency — even if I am alert that the
>>> system within which I am checking might be subject to overruling or
>>> revision — allows me to get past one thing and go to the next.  To clip
>>> together a sub-component of the watch and set it on the shelf, while
>>> assembling other sub-components, or to take the sub-components and assemble
>>> them relative to each other without having to constantly actively maintain
>>> the innards of each.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> To somebody with my innate limitations, that seems among the most
>>> valuable things in the world.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> DaveW wrote this fabulous paean to never calling anything done, some
>>> months ago.  I can’t resurrect the text, and on my best living day could
>>> not compose its equal, but the gist was that sciences in which one arrives
>>> at conclusions are the pastimes of trivial minds.  Real Men do
>>> anthropology, where nothing is ever closed.  In a lovely rant on what a day
>>> in the life of a Real Man is like, a sentence contained a clause I am
>>> pretty sure I do have verbatim: “ . . . , juggling hundreds of variables, .
>>> . . “.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I cannot juggle hundreds of variables, and produce a result that would
>>> fail _any_ test for randomness.  I can conceive that maybe there are people
>>> smart enough to do that, but cannot imagine any-wise what it would feel
>>> like to be one of them.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> It seems it must be possible in this sense to cling to consistency like
>>> a life-raft, yet not elevate it to aa religious icon.  After all, life
>>> rafts only keep you alive, and in the big sweep of things, that isn’t _all_
>>> that important.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Eric
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Oct 5, 2021, at 11:56 AM, uǝlƃ ☤>$ <gepropella at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Yeah, I'm perfectly aligned with the freak among freaks sentiment,
>>> though I'd argue we *do* live in that world, we just deny it with our false
>>> beliefs. "The problem with communication is the illusion that it exists."
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> But the more important part of the argument surrounds whether
>>> consistency, itself, is a matter of degree or kind. The analog world is
>>> full of graded [in]consistency. You see it a lot with artifacts resulting
>>> from welding, baking, brewing, etc. ... I even saw it often with the level
>>> 3 drafting at lockheed. Any inconsistencies resulting from our designs, the
>>> effete knowledge engineers, were *easily* overcome by the gritty
>>> on-the-ground engineers ... like smoothing out burrs or gluing together
>>> pieces that don't quite fit.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> In the special case of refined, crisply expressed propositions of
>>> digital computation, inconsistency finding becomes a (perhaps the) powerful
>>> tool. Debugging a serial program relies on it fundamentally. But it's
>>> softened a bit in parallel algorithms. Inconsistency is broken up into
>>> multiple, yet still crisp, types (race conditions, deadlocks, etc.). As
>>> approach "the real world" and move away from digital computation, it seems,
>>> to my ignorant eye, that [in]consistency softens more and more. Whether
>>> that softening takes the form of a countable set of types or something
>>> denser, I don't know. But it definitely takes on a different form.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Discussions like Frank and EricS are having about the stability of a
>>> limit point (never mind the ontological status of that point) get at this
>>> nicely. If you change the frame entirely (e.g. move to position-momentum)
>>> and the "inconsistency" of the singularities *moves* (or disappears
>>> entirely), then a focus on consistency is not as powerful of a tool. The
>>> focus becomes one of which frame expresses the target domain "less
>>> inconsistently" ... aka with fewer exceptions to the rule.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Yes, I know I've completely abused the word and its normal meaning.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On 10/4/21 12:03 PM, Marcus Daniels wrote:
>>>
>>> I agree with some of that.   I mentioned the dependently typed
>>> programming language as one technology to know when I am being
>>> inconsistent.   It doesn't mean I stop everything to resolve the
>>> inconsistency, but I might point the headlights in some other direction to
>>> avoid the inconsistency (breadth first search instead of depth first).
>>>   Inconsistency finding is a tool, and preferably a semi-automated one.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I'd rather have the option of being a depth first searcher and not worry
>>> about shelter and food and health care.   I'm not talented enough to be
>>> among the small number of people that can survive (adequately) doing that
>>> sort of thing.   I think I wouldn't even like it in general, even if I
>>> were.   I don't like being the person that says something is irrelevant
>>> because everything is irrelevant.   I'd like to be a freak among billions
>>> of freaks that all admire the accomplishments of other freaks.   This is
>>> not the world we live in, though.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>
>>> From: Friam <friam-bounces at redfish.com> On Behalf Of u?l? ?>$
>>>
>>> Sent: Monday, October 4, 2021 10:16 AM
>>>
>>> To: friam at redfish.com
>>>
>>> Subject: Re: [FRIAM] Newborn Heart Rate
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> OK. But academia is in serious trouble, not least exhibited by the rise
>>> of populism and anti-intellectual distrust of those who might be attracted
>>> to depth-first search.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Another story: At the last salon, an entomologist asked me "Why do you
>>> know so much philosophy?" My guess is he was actually trying to politely
>>> criticize my incessant concept-dropping, referring to oblique discussions
>>> that only occur amongst such depth-first people. The answer is I don't know
>>> any philosophy. I'm the worst kind of tourist, trampling endangered species
>>> while snapping selfies on my iPhone.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> But the deeper answer is that we don't need the academy anymore. What we
>>> need are social safety nets that facilitate the diverse exploration of the
>>> information field splayed out before us. If an unemployed snowboarder wants
>>> to do the work to propose a new theory of everything, so be it. I'm willing
>>> to sacrifice some of my income to help that happen, even if, or perhaps
>>> because it may eventually be found contradictory to some other ToE
>>> somewhere. But a consistency hobgoblin would nip that nonsense in the bud
>>> at the first hint of contradiction ... like a blankface academic advisor in
>>> some Physics department at some elitist institution.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> A focus on consistency is nothing more than subculture gatekeeping <
>>> https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Gatekeeping>.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On 10/4/21 10:01 AM, Marcus Daniels wrote:
>>>
>>> In some depth first search one might find a sub-problem that was
>>> uncrackable.   If it is one of 100 problems to solve, it is dumb to get
>>> hung-up on it, especially if it is of no practical significance.    But it
>>> is a problem that will attract a certain kind of (autistic) academic
>>> attention as well.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>>
>>> "Better to be slapped with the truth than kissed with a lie."
>>>
>>> ☤>$ uǝlƃ
>>>
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