[FRIAM] Schwill Rock?

[Frank Wimberly]

Thanks, Jon.  Pandora does a pretty good job of playing music I like based
on my thumbs up.  Except when Matthew's choices get mixed in.  I've heard
"Old Town Road" quite enough.

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On Mon, Oct 11, 2021, 7:23 PM Jon Zingale <jonzingale at gmail.com> wrote:

> Thanks for asking, Frank. On Friday, Glen mentioned that he was attempting
> to train his music streaming service to identify *Schwill Rock*[0]. This is
> amidst the ongoing discussions we have, on the server, regarding the
> foundations of statistics[1], the use of AI in the legal system, and the
> recurring realization that our suggestion engines are leading us into
> deeper and deeper silos.
>
> [0] The first question, the one about the Dwarves, is mostly asked toward
> Glen, though the question is on the forum and so clearly open to whomever.
> From what I gather, Glen classified Schwill rock as music that rocks but
> without apparent intellectual value. He gave two examples. In the Schwill
> category we might have White Zombie:
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yPNFVj-pISU&ab_channel=WhiteZombieVEVO
>
> and in the other, Tool:
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y7JG63IuaWs&list=RDY7JG63IuaWs&start_radio=1&ab_channel=TOOLVEVO
>
> which for those playing at home, invites analysis:
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uOHkeH2VaE0&ab_channel=Polyphonic
>
> As for me, if I happen to (for some god-forsaken reason) find myself
> listening to early Bob Dylan, I am very unlikely to want to listen to Joan
> Baez or Woody Guthrie or Nina Simone's "folk" record next. Seriously
> though, must *all* roads lead to Morrissey? I agree that it is possible
> that someone somewhere does, but I sure as shit don't.
>
> This leads me to wonder... if training AI on the current legal system
> produces racist AI judges, then what hope do we have that (once those old
> enough to have admired seeing live Dylan are finally gone) the rest of us
> won't be stuck with *that* legacy "baked" into the AI engines? Let's face
> it, it's not just the biosphere, look at that wasteland we still call
> radio. (Thanks, Telecom act, wherever you are).
>
> That said, I made some effort a few weeks ago (as well as on Friday) to
> get a conversation started around what suggestion engines and search
> engines could potentially do differently. One promising idea I have been
> researching a lot lately is to adapt weighted ensemble methods (those used
> for protein folding, say) to get better estimates on the all too
> volatile energy landscape that is our individually fickle musical tastes.
> Other ideas might include methods for rewarding actions in favor of
> tolerance. But hey, just about anything would be better than the "geodesic
> humping", "least-action loving" and "k-cluster fucked" nightmare we have
> presently.
>
> So there I am at Bosque Brewing and Spotify has gone off the rails,
> everyone in the bar can tell, and no one is quite sure what can be done
> about it. In some places I visit, the wait staff has already been defeated
> by the domineering sounds of AI deejays and corporate policy. I can
> empathize when I hear workers ask, "who would want to hear music on their
> day off"?
>
> Anyway, I wasn't sure about posting this response, but Grammarly assures
> me that this post "may sound to readers": admiringly, appreciative, and
> formal. All good things. mmm... spicy.
>
> [1] Sorry, Nick, you missed your chance.
>
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