[FRIAM] [dis]integrated

[Marcus Daniels]

In the Usenet days I had the sense that it was possible to argue down people.  It might take a lot of work, but it was possible.  The opposition might take you out of context or play rhetorical tricks, but there wasn’t fundamentally bad faith.   There was some sense that there were winners and losers of various fights.   Now the people I don’t like have their own television networks and vast automated advertising systems.   It is funny how people get upset about a few extra messages on announce board but meanwhile they opt to bathe in feeds of nonsense.

From: Friam <friam-bounces at redfish.com> On Behalf Of Frank Wimberly
Sent: Tuesday, October 12, 2021 1:37 PM
To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group <friam at redfish.com>
Subject: Re: [FRIAM] [dis]integrated

Why should any particular forum adhere to a set of rules or some arbitrary definition?  In the CS Department at Carnegie Mellon there was the Opinion Bboard.  The rule was that anything goes.  A discussion of erotic fantasies (euphemism) emerged.  A woman who was a high level administrator became offended.  She posted, "who cares about what turns you kaboom dickheads on?" (euphemism)  Unfortunately she posted that pithy question to the General Bboard, which was for announcing seminars, visiting speakers, etc.  Anyway, Opinion was the most followed Bboard, among dozens, in that community, I believe.
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On Tue, Oct 12, 2021, 1:58 PM uǝlƃ ☤>$ <gepropella at gmail.com<mailto:gepropella at gmail.com>> wrote:
Well, similar to your "why must I mean all that" reaction to my past attempt at some kind of state space reconstruction of a pithy post from you, I can construct *many* generative models for your "Matters to what/whom?" post. But if it'll simply end with another pithy rejection of whatever I reconstruct, it feels like a waste of time. It's safe to assume I'm never on the same wavelength. The problem with communication is the illusion that it exists.

I could make yet another post to the mailing list asking "what does that mean?" ... but that's not optimal because: a) you don't retain message threading and don't quote much of the prior content and b) email fora are not chat, as I've argued a lot before and don't need to argue again. So, chatty posts to fora like FriAM exhibit a misunderstanding of what email fora (or usenet etc) are and what they're fit-to-purpose usage patterns facilitate.

I feel like it might be appropriate to have a Discord or IRC channel for pithy chat. It might be appealing to those who also like the Zoom meetings or maybe even the in person meetings at the coffee shop. But those are less interesting to me. I post here because I like contextually laden posts. I give SteveS a lot of guff for his bloviating posts. 8^D But I like them. Both he and EricS make full posts and tend toward less chatty, witty repartee.

On 10/12/21 12:12 PM, Jon Zingale wrote:
> "Bah. I understand it can be fun to troll. But if you can't make at least
> an attempt to avoid blankface pithiness, I can't respond."
>
> Sorry, I thought we were one something like the same wavelength there. Care
> to expand? Feel free to call me if you imagine that I am in anything but
> good faith chatting with you now.


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