[FRIAM] [dis]integrated

[David Eric Smith]

Very nice line in Hossenfelder's podcast, which works because of her rather Aspergers delivery.  

What one hears (with a fully sincere affect):

The society of truth-loving men no longer exists.

Had there been a written version, one might have found:

The “Society of Truth-Loving Men” no longer exists.

Both acceptable.

God Bless Sabine.

Eric


> On Oct 14, 2021, at 7:03 PM, uǝlƃ ☤>$ <gepropella at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Well, it seems obvious to me (admittedly at risk of imputation or Dunning-Kruger) that we all have both modes in our repertoire. Maybe there are subsets of us who lean hard one way or the other. But I guess that just kicks the can down the road. Too much soldier ⇒ not recognizing when to switch to scout mode. And vice versa, like those pitiful truth-s[uc|ee]kers stuck in a conversation with a zero-sum logicbro.
> 
> It's error-correcting self-attention loops all the way down ... and up. And if you're not exercising your  low/fast interrupts (capsaicin , yoga, LSD, whatever), then you're probably not exercising your high/slow interrupts (active listening, abandoning pet theories, etc.). The idea that we can strengthen the high/slow interrupts without also strengthening the low/fast ones seems fideistic to me ... like telekinesis or somesuch.
> 
> Tangentially, I'm somewhat of a fan of Goertzel. But this worries me:
> 
> Evidence for Psi: Thirteen Empirical Research Reports
> https://linkprotect.cudasvc.com/url?a=https%3a%2f%2fbookshop.org%2fbooks%2fevidence-for-psi-thirteen-empirical-research-reports%2f9780786478286&c=E,1,wzGTnONTUzfmGhmFisinj17cKD_FmLSmg1C_jkpPC7sVOugtqwM01wfgiWVMy-REH2Uh3iTdPDVZkxoyLD6KgPMA7EaeZbFT9W3s1xBj8TYNWS7w&typo=1
> 
> Maybe one of you has read it? I'm told it contains some fantastic nuggets about statistics, which makes me want a copy. And this video presents a good argument, regardless of the gist:
> 
> How I learned to love pseudoscience
> https://youtu.be/bWV0XIn-rvY
> 
> But I worry about my own ability to switch from scout to soldier ... which is why the right-wing morons I talk to at the pub don't immediately murder me. Once they get to know me, they don't love me anymore.
> 
> On 10/14/21 3:29 PM, Marcus Daniels wrote:
>> Even with a scout mentality there is the problem of modeling the deck of alternative scenarios that arise from uncertainty in a map.    The tendency to take imputed values for a set of unknown variables is a practical cognitive resource limitation that one can acknowledge or fail to acknowledge.    To challenge a person’s gut feeling -- all those imputed values -- and to observe the exasperation (even perceived persecution) that may result from the challenge is how I distinguish scouts from soldiers.   There are surely some tactical benefits to soldiers running toward the enemy with their bayonets to not spend a lot of time reflecting on how confident they are that the person they are running toward is their enemy.
>> 
>> From: Friam <friam-bounces at redfish.com> On Behalf Of Jon Zingale
>> Sent: Thursday, October 14, 2021 1:17 PM
>> To: friam at redfish.com
>> Subject: Re: [FRIAM] [dis]integrated
>> 
>> 
>> The Scout Mindset
>> 
>> https://linkprotect.cudasvc.com/url?a=https%3a%2f%2fbookshop.org%2fbooks%2fthe-scout-mindset-why-some-people-see-things-clearly-and-others-don-t%2f9780735217553&c=E,1,3zlCRFjEuJJ-3kftNjvHchMqPeKe3NJ4etshrs4wu1bDoHn8FPIwjT3EQFSkYEwhrezzsXzlJpEUMPqu_LqT9xQCWzVTwu7FDuKwHQQxyx1k8f12UsFnn-dT&typo=1
> 
> 
> -- 
> "Better to be slapped with the truth than kissed with a lie."
> ☤>$ uǝlƃ
> 
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