[FRIAM] Revising the American Revolution

Wed Oct 27 15:07:49 EDT 2021

Apparently even Jesus was narcissistic.  He was hungry when he saw a fig
tree.  Upon discovering that it had no fruit he zapped it so that it would
never produce fruit.  Or something like that.  Any Bible scholars out there?

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Frank C. Wimberly
140 Calle Ojo Feliz,
Santa Fe, NM 87505

505 670-9918
Santa Fe, NM

On Wed, Oct 27, 2021, 1:02 PM Marcus Daniels <marcus at snoutfarm.com> wrote:

> Hah, what was that you said about everyone being narcissistic?   (I’m not
> so sure it is so.)
>
>
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> *From:* Friam <friam-bounces at redfish.com> *On Behalf Of *Frank Wimberly
> *Sent:* Wednesday, October 27, 2021 11:57 AM
> *To:* The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group <
> friam at redfish.com>
> *Subject:* Re: [FRIAM] Revising the American Revolution
>
>
>
> Nick, where did the concept come from that persons other than the
> participants will read these conversations?  If you're referring to your
> hope that scholarly papers will emerge from this material won't that
> involve extensive review and editing?
>
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> Frank
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> Frank C. Wimberly
> 140 Calle Ojo Feliz,
> Santa Fe, NM 87505
>
> 505 670-9918
> Santa Fe, NM
>
>
>
> On Wed, Oct 27, 2021, 12:19 PM Marcus Daniels <marcus at snoutfarm.com>
> wrote:
>
> Maybe recess and grade school sports are like a lab experiment for parents
> and teachers and they gain valuable insights (assuming it is not just
> sadistic)?  I have no fond memories of T ball, more like PTSD!  And dodge
> ball (sanctioned) set the stage for literal target practice on the weird
> kids.  This is not as overt in adult life but still there..
>
>
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> On Oct 27, 2021, at 10:49 AM, Frank Wimberly <wimberly3 at gmail.com> wrote:
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> When a grown person says it, it's playful.  When those little people on
> the playground say it, it's full of derision and crying sometimes follows.
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> Frank C. Wimberly
> 140 Calle Ojo Feliz,
> Santa Fe, NM 87505
>
> 505 670-9918
> Santa Fe, NM
>
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> On Wed, Oct 27, 2021, 11:40 AM <thompnickson2 at gmail.com> wrote:
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> Frank,
>
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>
> Well, hang on there, big fella.  “Scorn”  is a bridge too far.  As
> somebody famous once said, “I know my own intent.”  I meant only to suggest
> – humorously, I hoped – that Glen and I had already entered the domain of
> play ground taunt with his …
>
>
>
> . But social contracts are only one, very debatable, construction for
> "inalienable rights". Just because it makes the most sense to you, doesn't
> mean it provides the solid foundation you're looking for. It looks more
> like postmodernist sand, to me. You modernists, who faithfully buy into
> Grand Narratives that fit your priors would be suckered in by it. But I
> don't.
>
>
>
> … all packed and gussied up with its ad hominems.  All this is meant to be
> playful, and the moment it stops being fun, is the moment it should stop.
> If I have brought us there, please accept my apologies and let’s let it
> go.
>
>
>
> All this is trivial compared to Glen’s suggestion that we have to be
> careful what we say here, not just because of possible hurts endured by one
> another (which I do care about) but because of who might be listening.
> This is the second such suggestion from a person I deeply respect that has
> been offered me this week and I find it deeply concerning.   I am so used
> to the freedom that my professional obscurity conveys that I never worry
> about such reputational concerns.  Also, being an up-tight easterner, I am
> probably more self-canceling than many of you.  Finally, my die is already
> cast.  But *should I* be listening to what I write with an Other Ear?
> For your sakes, at least?
>
>
>
> I suggest we start another thread:  “What Cannot Be Said On Friam” and
> explore this matter carefully.
>
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> Nick
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> Nick Thompson
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> ThompNickSon2 at gmail.com
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> https://wordpress.clarku.edu/nthompson/
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> *From:* Friam <friam-bounces at redfish.com> *On Behalf Of *Frank Wimberly
> *Sent:* Wednesday, October 27, 2021 10:50 AM
> *To:* The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group <
> friam at redfish.com>
> *Subject:* Re: [FRIAM] Revising the American Revolution
>
>
>
> It's a form of scorn and derision to say, for example, "You lose; I win".
> Very obnoxious.
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> ---
> Frank C. Wimberly
> 140 Calle Ojo Feliz,
> Santa Fe, NM 87505
>
> 505 670-9918
> Santa Fe, NM
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> On Wed, Oct 27, 2021, 8:02 AM uǝlƃ ☤>$ <gepropella at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> That's unhelpful. 8^D What does it mean?
>
> On 10/27/21 6:53 AM, Frank Wimberly wrote:
> > Most people would spell that, "nanner, nanner, nanner", I think.  It's
> heard on playgrounds all over, or it was in the 40s and 50s.  In Mexico
> they sing, "lero, lero, lero",  using the same notes.
> >
> >
> > On Wed, Oct 27, 2021, 7:35 AM uǝlƃ ☤>$ <gepropella at gmail.com <mailto:
> gepropella at gmail.com>> wrote:
> >
> >     I have no idea how to respond to this post. I don't know what
> "neener, neener, neener" means, unfortunately. [...]
> >
> >
> >     On 10/26/21 1:03 PM, thompnickson2 at gmail.com <mailto:
> thompnickson2 at gmail.com> wrote:
> >     > Grand narratives. Oh, neener, neener, neener.  [...]
> >     >
> >     > As I said: Neener, neener, neener.  And so's your old man.
> >
>
> --
> "Better to be slapped with the truth than kissed with a lie."
> ☤>$ uǝlƃ
>
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