[FRIAM] Revising the American Revolution

[Frank Wimberly]

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cursing_the_fig_tree

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Frank C. Wimberly
140 Calle Ojo Feliz,
Santa Fe, NM 87505

505 670-9918
Santa Fe, NM

On Wed, Oct 27, 2021, 1:07 PM Frank Wimberly <wimberly3 at gmail.com> wrote:

> Apparently even Jesus was narcissistic.  He was hungry when he saw a fig
> tree.  Upon discovering that it had no fruit he zapped it so that it would
> never produce fruit.  Or something like that.  Any Bible scholars out there?
>
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> Frank C. Wimberly
> 140 Calle Ojo Feliz,
> Santa Fe, NM 87505
>
> 505 670-9918
> Santa Fe, NM
>
> On Wed, Oct 27, 2021, 1:02 PM Marcus Daniels <marcus at snoutfarm.com> wrote:
>
>> Hah, what was that you said about everyone being narcissistic?   (I’m not
>> so sure it is so.)
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* Friam <friam-bounces at redfish.com> *On Behalf Of *Frank Wimberly
>> *Sent:* Wednesday, October 27, 2021 11:57 AM
>> *To:* The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group <
>> friam at redfish.com>
>> *Subject:* Re: [FRIAM] Revising the American Revolution
>>
>>
>>
>> Nick, where did the concept come from that persons other than the
>> participants will read these conversations?  If you're referring to your
>> hope that scholarly papers will emerge from this material won't that
>> involve extensive review and editing?
>>
>>
>>
>> Frank
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>>
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>> Frank C. Wimberly
>> 140 Calle Ojo Feliz,
>> Santa Fe, NM 87505
>>
>> 505 670-9918
>> Santa Fe, NM
>>
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Oct 27, 2021, 12:19 PM Marcus Daniels <marcus at snoutfarm.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>> Maybe recess and grade school sports are like a lab experiment for
>> parents and teachers and they gain valuable insights (assuming it is not
>> just sadistic)?  I have no fond memories of T ball, more like PTSD!  And
>> dodge ball (sanctioned) set the stage for literal target practice on the
>> weird kids.  This is not as overt in adult life but still there..
>>
>>
>>
>> On Oct 27, 2021, at 10:49 AM, Frank Wimberly <wimberly3 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> 
>>
>> When a grown person says it, it's playful.  When those little people on
>> the playground say it, it's full of derision and crying sometimes follows.
>>
>>
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>> Frank C. Wimberly
>> 140 Calle Ojo Feliz,
>> Santa Fe, NM 87505
>>
>> 505 670-9918
>> Santa Fe, NM
>>
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Oct 27, 2021, 11:40 AM <thompnickson2 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> Frank,
>>
>>
>>
>> Well, hang on there, big fella.  “Scorn”  is a bridge too far.  As
>> somebody famous once said, “I know my own intent.”  I meant only to suggest
>> – humorously, I hoped – that Glen and I had already entered the domain of
>> play ground taunt with his …
>>
>>
>>
>> . But social contracts are only one, very debatable, construction for
>> "inalienable rights". Just because it makes the most sense to you, doesn't
>> mean it provides the solid foundation you're looking for. It looks more
>> like postmodernist sand, to me. You modernists, who faithfully buy into
>> Grand Narratives that fit your priors would be suckered in by it. But I
>> don't.
>>
>>
>>
>> … all packed and gussied up with its ad hominems.  All this is meant to
>> be playful, and the moment it stops being fun, is the moment it should
>> stop.  If I have brought us there, please accept my apologies and let’s let
>> it go.
>>
>>
>>
>> All this is trivial compared to Glen’s suggestion that we have to be
>> careful what we say here, not just because of possible hurts endured by one
>> another (which I do care about) but because of who might be listening.
>> This is the second such suggestion from a person I deeply respect that has
>> been offered me this week and I find it deeply concerning.   I am so used
>> to the freedom that my professional obscurity conveys that I never worry
>> about such reputational concerns.  Also, being an up-tight easterner, I am
>> probably more self-canceling than many of you.  Finally, my die is already
>> cast.  But *should I* be listening to what I write with an Other Ear?
>> For your sakes, at least?
>>
>>
>>
>> I suggest we start another thread:  “What Cannot Be Said On Friam” and
>> explore this matter carefully.
>>
>>
>>
>> Nick
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>>
>>
>> Nick Thompson
>>
>> ThompNickSon2 at gmail.com
>>
>> https://wordpress.clarku.edu/nthompson/
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* Friam <friam-bounces at redfish.com> *On Behalf Of *Frank Wimberly
>> *Sent:* Wednesday, October 27, 2021 10:50 AM
>> *To:* The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group <
>> friam at redfish.com>
>> *Subject:* Re: [FRIAM] Revising the American Revolution
>>
>>
>>
>> It's a form of scorn and derision to say, for example, "You lose; I
>> win".  Very obnoxious.
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>> ---
>> Frank C. Wimberly
>> 140 Calle Ojo Feliz,
>> Santa Fe, NM 87505
>>
>> 505 670-9918
>> Santa Fe, NM
>>
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Oct 27, 2021, 8:02 AM uǝlƃ ☤>$ <gepropella at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> That's unhelpful. 8^D What does it mean?
>>
>> On 10/27/21 6:53 AM, Frank Wimberly wrote:
>> > Most people would spell that, "nanner, nanner, nanner", I think.  It's
>> heard on playgrounds all over, or it was in the 40s and 50s.  In Mexico
>> they sing, "lero, lero, lero",  using the same notes.
>> >
>> >
>> > On Wed, Oct 27, 2021, 7:35 AM uǝlƃ ☤>$ <gepropella at gmail.com <mailto:
>> gepropella at gmail.com>> wrote:
>> >
>> >     I have no idea how to respond to this post. I don't know what
>> "neener, neener, neener" means, unfortunately. [...]
>> >
>> >
>> >     On 10/26/21 1:03 PM, thompnickson2 at gmail.com <mailto:
>> thompnickson2 at gmail.com> wrote:
>> >     > Grand narratives. Oh, neener, neener, neener.  [...]
>> >     >
>> >     > As I said: Neener, neener, neener.  And so's your old man.
>> >
>>
>> --
>> "Better to be slapped with the truth than kissed with a lie."
>> ☤>$ uǝlƃ
>>
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