[FRIAM] we are lost

[Marcus Daniels]

Will AIs want the same things I want?   I think Roger was just being silly, but `categories' could be wrangled into to some vaguely adjacent thing like typed computer programs for autonomous control systems in a robot.  Let's call it a careful robot.    Will all intelligent life be like humans and will they want love and recognition?   Why must that be the case?  Why must it be true for humans?   Why does HR assume I even want a safe space?   I'm reminded of George Packer's Free America, Smart America, Real America and Just America.   None of them really gave a damn about the others as far as I can tell.  It is just a model, of course.

https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2021/07/george-packer-four-americas/619012/


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Ok, So, Marcus,



>   What do categories want?



Love, recognition and safety?   Someone phone HR and get the ball rolling on a new policy!



Spoken from the high perch of Irony.  Irony is like wormwood, delightful in small doses but ultimately toxic.  Do we not all want love, recognition, and safety?  Do we also want excitement and challenge.  Go figure!   Some of us crave more of the one; some more of the other.  Given the contradiction between those things, can we expect the right balance be guaranteed for each and every one of us, for all time?  No.  Of course not.   But is that reason to mock human striving toward these goals?  Or to mock Utilitarian attempts to facilitate their achievement?  No.  I don't think so.  Irony is a guilty pleasure.  Even though I use it and enjoy it, I have to admit that it is a an abdication and fails as a policy.



Nick



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> So, not only do we attribute teleology to inanimate objects, weather, animals, and people, but also to the platonic solids.  Which probably leads to:

>

>   What do categories want?



Love, recognition and safety?   Someone phone HR and get the ball rolling on a new policy!



Marcus



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