[FRIAM] we are lost

[Steve Smith]

excellent reference/article... thanks.

I did have the page dogeared in my paper copy of the Atlantic next to 
the bathtub... I just skimmed the online version you linked... I find 
bits easier to skim than atoms for some reason... maybe because the 
ability to cutNpaste quotes with a few keystrokes gives me the illusion 
of more participation.   Or maybe it will be easier for me to skim the 
paper copy with the Foster Grant Progressive (0-2.75) Readers I 
shoplifted from the grocery today.

Like George Packer, my first vote was in 1980, but unlike him I was 
captured by the L/libertarian undertone of the Reaganites.  I was young 
and dumb and full of myself (now I'm just old) and I missed the 
racial/class signaling going on which is what slowly flipped (inverted) 
me to something a lot more like a Socialist these days.

I do like the narrative(s) implied by the tension between Real, Smart, 
Free, and Just America(n)s...  in a cyberpunk kinda way.

Is it a 4 component spring model, or is a four body problem in the 
orbital mechanics sense... probably no harder than the three body problem?

On 10/29/21 11:36 AM, Marcus Daniels wrote:
>
> Will AIs want the same things I want?   I think Roger was just being 
> silly, but `categories’ could be wrangled into to some vaguely 
> adjacent thing like typed computer programs for autonomous control 
> systems in a robot. Let’s call it a careful robot.    Will all 
> intelligent life be like humans and will they want love and 
> recognition?   Why must that be the case?  Why must it be true for 
> humans?   Why does HR assume I even want a safe space?   I’m reminded 
> of George Packer’s Free America, Smart America, Real America and Just 
> America.   None of them really gave a damn about the others as far as 
> I can tell.  It is just a model, of course.
>
> https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2021/07/george-packer-four-americas/619012/
>
> *From:* Friam <friam-bounces at redfish.com> *On Behalf Of 
> *thompnickson2 at gmail.com
> *Sent:* Thursday, October 28, 2021 11:30 AM
> *To:* 'The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group' 
> <friam at redfish.com>
> *Subject:* Re: [FRIAM] we are lost
>
> Ok, So, Marcus,
>
> >   What do categories want?
>
> Love, recognition and safety?   Someone phone HR and get the ball 
> rolling on a new policy!
>
> Spoken from the high perch of Irony. Irony is like wormwood, 
> delightful in small doses but ultimately toxic.  Do we not all want 
> love, recognition, and safety?  Do we also want excitement and 
> challenge.  Go figure!   Some of us crave more of the one; some more 
> of the other.  Given the contradiction between those things, can we 
> expect the right balance be guaranteed for each and every one of us, 
> for all time?  No.  Of course not.   But is that reason to mock human 
> striving toward these goals?  Or to mock Utilitarian attempts to 
> facilitate their achievement?  No.  I don’t think so.  Irony is a 
> guilty pleasure.  Even though I use it and enjoy it, I have to admit 
> that it is a an abdication and fails as a policy.
>
> Nick
>
> Nick Thompson
>
> ThompNickSon2 at gmail.com
>
> https://wordpress.clarku.edu/nthompson/
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Friam <friam-bounces at redfish.com> On Behalf Of Marcus Daniels
> Sent: Thursday, October 28, 2021 8:18 AM
> To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group <friam at redfish.com>
> Subject: Re: [FRIAM] we are lost
>
> > So, not only do we attribute teleology to inanimate objects, 
> weather, animals, and people, but also to the platonic solids.  Which 
> probably leads to:
>
> >
>
> >   What do categories want?
>
> Love, recognition and safety?   Someone phone HR and get the ball 
> rolling on a new policy!
>
> Marcus
>
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