[FRIAM] we are lost

[Frank Wimberly]

Well, Hywel, bless his soul, clearly knew what electrons want--to be in a
lower energy state.

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On Fri, Oct 29, 2021, 6:41 PM Roger Critchlow <rec at elf.org> wrote:

> I was asking what categories, eg monads, comonads, all these abstractions
> on the abstractions of mathematics, want, since that might help me
> understand how they see their purpose, given that I was already being asked
> about the purpose of a platonic solid.
>
> I hadn't thought about the prehistoric models of platonic solids crafted
> in rock, they can have purposes like other material objects.  Nor had I
> considered making the jump from abstract mathematical constructs to groups
> of people sharing characteristics.
>
> And I was being silly, but I was provoked.
>
> -- rec --
>
> On Fri, Oct 29, 2021 at 1:36 PM Marcus Daniels <marcus at snoutfarm.com>
> wrote:
>
>> Will AIs want the same things I want?   I think Roger was just being
>> silly, but `categories’ could be wrangled into to some vaguely adjacent
>> thing like typed computer programs for autonomous control systems in a
>> robot.  Let’s call it a careful robot.    Will all intelligent life be like
>> humans and will they want love and recognition?   Why must that be the
>> case?  Why must it be true for humans?   Why does HR assume I even want a
>> safe space?   I’m reminded of George Packer’s Free America, Smart America,
>> Real America and Just America.   None of them really gave a damn about the
>> others as far as I can tell.  It is just a model, of course.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2021/07/george-packer-four-americas/619012/
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* Friam <friam-bounces at redfish.com> *On Behalf Of *
>> thompnickson2 at gmail.com
>> *Sent:* Thursday, October 28, 2021 11:30 AM
>> *To:* 'The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group' <
>> friam at redfish.com>
>> *Subject:* Re: [FRIAM] we are lost
>>
>>
>>
>> Ok, So, Marcus,
>>
>>
>>
>> >   What do categories want?
>>
>>
>>
>> Love, recognition and safety?   Someone phone HR and get the ball rolling
>> on a new policy!
>>
>>
>>
>> Spoken from the high perch of Irony.  Irony is like wormwood, delightful
>> in small doses but ultimately toxic.  Do we not all want love, recognition,
>> and safety?  Do we also want excitement and challenge.  Go figure!   Some
>> of us crave more of the one; some more of the other.  Given the
>> contradiction between those things, can we expect the right balance be
>> guaranteed for each and every one of us, for all time?  No.  Of course
>> not.   But is that reason to mock human striving toward these goals?  Or to
>> mock Utilitarian attempts to facilitate their achievement?  No.  I don’t
>> think so.  Irony is a guilty pleasure.  Even though I use it and enjoy it,
>> I have to admit that it is a an abdication and fails as a policy.
>>
>>
>>
>> Nick
>>
>>
>>
>> Nick Thompson
>>
>> ThompNickSon2 at gmail.com
>>
>> https://wordpress.clarku.edu/nthompson/
>>
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Friam <friam-bounces at redfish.com> On Behalf Of Marcus Daniels
>> Sent: Thursday, October 28, 2021 8:18 AM
>> To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group <friam at redfish.com
>> >
>> Subject: Re: [FRIAM] we are lost
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> > So, not only do we attribute teleology to inanimate objects, weather,
>> animals, and people, but also to the platonic solids.  Which probably leads
>> to:
>>
>> >
>>
>> >   What do categories want?
>>
>>
>>
>> Love, recognition and safety?   Someone phone HR and get the ball rolling
>> on a new policy!
>>
>>
>>
>> Marcus
>>
>>
>>
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