[FRIAM] we are lost

[Roger Critchlow]

I was asking what categories, eg monads, comonads, all these abstractions
on the abstractions of mathematics, want, since that might help me
understand how they see their purpose, given that I was already being asked
about the purpose of a platonic solid.

I hadn't thought about the prehistoric models of platonic solids crafted in
rock, they can have purposes like other material objects.  Nor had I
considered making the jump from abstract mathematical constructs to groups
of people sharing characteristics.

And I was being silly, but I was provoked.

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On Fri, Oct 29, 2021 at 1:36 PM Marcus Daniels <marcus at snoutfarm.com> wrote:

> Will AIs want the same things I want?   I think Roger was just being
> silly, but `categories’ could be wrangled into to some vaguely adjacent
> thing like typed computer programs for autonomous control systems in a
> robot.  Let’s call it a careful robot.    Will all intelligent life be like
> humans and will they want love and recognition?   Why must that be the
> case?  Why must it be true for humans?   Why does HR assume I even want a
> safe space?   I’m reminded of George Packer’s Free America, Smart America,
> Real America and Just America.   None of them really gave a damn about the
> others as far as I can tell.  It is just a model, of course.
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> https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2021/07/george-packer-four-americas/619012/
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> *From:* Friam <friam-bounces at redfish.com> *On Behalf Of *
> thompnickson2 at gmail.com
> *Sent:* Thursday, October 28, 2021 11:30 AM
> *To:* 'The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group' <
> friam at redfish.com>
> *Subject:* Re: [FRIAM] we are lost
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> Ok, So, Marcus,
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> >   What do categories want?
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> Love, recognition and safety?   Someone phone HR and get the ball rolling
> on a new policy!
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> Spoken from the high perch of Irony.  Irony is like wormwood, delightful
> in small doses but ultimately toxic.  Do we not all want love, recognition,
> and safety?  Do we also want excitement and challenge.  Go figure!   Some
> of us crave more of the one; some more of the other.  Given the
> contradiction between those things, can we expect the right balance be
> guaranteed for each and every one of us, for all time?  No.  Of course
> not.   But is that reason to mock human striving toward these goals?  Or to
> mock Utilitarian attempts to facilitate their achievement?  No.  I don’t
> think so.  Irony is a guilty pleasure.  Even though I use it and enjoy it,
> I have to admit that it is a an abdication and fails as a policy.
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> Nick
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> Nick Thompson
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> ThompNickSon2 at gmail.com
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> https://wordpress.clarku.edu/nthompson/
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: Friam <friam-bounces at redfish.com> On Behalf Of Marcus Daniels
> Sent: Thursday, October 28, 2021 8:18 AM
> To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group <friam at redfish.com>
> Subject: Re: [FRIAM] we are lost
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> > So, not only do we attribute teleology to inanimate objects, weather,
> animals, and people, but also to the platonic solids.  Which probably leads
> to:
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> >   What do categories want?
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> Love, recognition and safety?   Someone phone HR and get the ball rolling
> on a new policy!
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> Marcus
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