[FRIAM] Liberal dilemmas

[Marcus Daniels]

Yep, back to the grid or to the house if the grid goes out.   People could tune their policy on the web ahead of time.  But the grid need not go out if the grid is distributed.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zxe352yOYyk

From: Friam <friam-bounces at redfish.com> On Behalf Of David Eric Smith
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I am amazed that the total extraction is only 85,000 tons/year now.

If all vehicular transportation does go Li or Li-ion battery-based, we really should be planning for all this to be integrated with demand-buffering of the grid.  No reason to build a completely separate parallel buffer bank using more Li while cars sit with batteries holding charge as if it were gasoline, waiting for the next drive.  People will balk because this kind of cooperative paradigm is something they are programmed to reject anywhere they notice it.  But it has enabled the eusocial insects to survive for a lot longer than humans have, so we should assume it will be necessary and adopt as another project how to get people used to that fact.

Eric



On Sep 4, 2021, at 12:25 AM, Marcus Daniels <marcus at snoutfarm.com<mailto:marcus at snoutfarm.com>> wrote:

For now there is the Salton Sea.

GM Will Suck Lithium From the Salton Sea to Make Batteries (autoweek.com)<https://linkprotect.cudasvc.com/url?a=https%3a%2f%2fwww.autoweek.com%2fnews%2fgreen-cars%2fa37029490%2fgm-will-suck-lithium-from-the-salton-sea-to-make-batteries%2f&c=E,1,09ICsA87ufw9vrQ2UUuV7CW-heRl96mRYkoPNPZDWM8ERlvr1h-YgbcKJgGyKXqEH-ipvKyFdaAlpoyA6xSNArBHUFSMIJ7cNpTMOOO6xaSjO6o,&typo=1>

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Now that Afghanistan is prepped to be the Democratic Republic of Congo 2.0 (this time lithium rather than coltan), I suspect that the world is poised for a whole new liberal dilemma:
1. Continue to support an oil industry largely responsible for rapid climate collapse.
2. Switch to supporting a battery industry that will be largely responsible for human trafficking/slavery and child labor.
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