[FRIAM] gen'fur

[⛧ glen]

I can't help but wonder if there's an analog of Goodhart's law lurking, here.


On September 9, 2021 2:31:39 PM PDT, Marcus Daniels <marcus at snoutfarm.com> wrote:
>Or they are reprogramming their people to be smarter!
>(Actually, deCODE is owned by Amgen now.)
>
>Selection is already occurring, so it isn't as if this is some sci-fi thing.
>
>https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2020/12/the-last-children-of-down-syndrome/616928/
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Friam <friam-bounces at redfish.com> On Behalf Of David Eric Smith
>Sent: Thursday, September 9, 2021 2:12 PM
>To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group <friam at redfish.com>
>Subject: Re: [FRIAM] gen'fur
>
>Aha!  This is why Iceland has the highest per-capita fraction of published authors in the world.  I had assumed it was the weather….
>
>> On Sep 10, 2021, at 2:17 AM, Marcus Daniels <marcus at snoutfarm.com> wrote:
>> 
>> That can be screened as well with a large population-wide survey such has been done in the UK or Iceland.
>> Of course, it is unlikely that complex behaviors will be governed by isolated mutations, so the task is to look for highly predictive motifs (e.g. regular expressions).  
>> 
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Friam <friam-bounces at redfish.com> On Behalf Of u?l? ?>$
>> Sent: Thursday, September 9, 2021 10:12 AM
>> To: friam at redfish.com
>> Subject: Re: [FRIAM] gen'fur
>> 
>> Ha! Now you're trolling. The answer is: "because the sites that generate reading ability (or whatever) *also* generate other 'abilities'", with "abilities" in scare quotes because many abilities are considered bad ... like the ability of a pimply faced white dude to shoot up a church or blow up a federal building.
>> 
>> In addition to polyphenism, there's robustness. If more than 1 site generates the same functional ability (reading), then do we write them all? ... just one of them? ... a probabilistically predictive handful of them?
>> 
>> On 9/9/21 10:00 AM, Marcus Daniels wrote:
>>> So find the sites that correspond to reading ability, or whatever, and WRITE them.  
>>> 
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Friam <friam-bounces at redfish.com> On Behalf Of u?l? ?>$
>>> Sent: Thursday, September 9, 2021 9:51 AM
>>> To: friam at redfish.com
>>> Subject: Re: [FRIAM] gen'fur
>>> 
>>> I was alerted to this article this morning:
>>> 
>>> Can Progressives Be Convinced That Genetics Matters?
>>> https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2021/09/13/can-progressives-be-con
>>> v
>>> inced-that-genetics-matters
>>> 
>>> It should delight those amongst us who rant about the "woke". 8^D But it dovetails nicely with the fraught concept of equality in the other thread.
>>> 
>>> Coincidentally, also on 9/6, the BIAPT announced their early career prize winner Emily McTernan:
>>> https://linkprotect.cudasvc.com/url?a=https%3a%2f%2fwww.associationfo
>>> rpoliticalthought.ac.uk%2fbiapt-2021-early-care&c=E,1,Je9MVNdO8lpJQOd
>>> 6fZwUNe-4z5yuFq0upxNIzMBFjmLFh_h5a63ueVVpd8lkEdWeUx5Xx1RaoPg3T5Ph8YlG
>>> 0558qqHLZD8-DKeBPEC3YYM,&typo=1
>>> er-prize-winner-dr-emily-mcternan/
>>> 
>>> "In her forthcoming monograph, Dr McTernan develops her work on social equality further, to advance a pioneering conceptual account – and robust normative defence – of the phenomenon of ‘taking offence’. Therein, McTernan contends, we should understand taking offence, under appropriate conditions, as a civic virtue rather than a vice, as an emotion that embodies the resistance of social inequalities within a community."
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On 9/8/21 8:06 PM, Marcus Daniels wrote:
>>>> From about a cancer rate of 10% (without mutation) to 50% (with) but it depends on the BRCA variant.
>>>> 
>>>> https://www.cdc.gov/genomics/disease/breast_ovarian_cancer/breast_ca
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>>>> 
>>>>> On Sep 8, 2021, at 4:07 PM, Frank Wimberly <wimberly3 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> Is the Braca gene that little correlated with breast cancer?
>>>>> 
>>>>> ---
>>>>> Frank C. Wimberly
>>>>> 140 Calle Ojo Feliz,
>>>>> Santa Fe, NM 87505
>>>>> 
>>>>> 505 670-9918
>>>>> Santa Fe, NM
>>>>> 
>>>>> On Wed, Sep 8, 2021, 4:57 PM Marcus Daniels <marcus at snoutfarm.com <mailto:marcus at snoutfarm.com>> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>>    Yeah, it is hard to get excited about “unusual” variance. Modern 
>>>>> classification algorithms like gradient boosting make it possible 
>>>>> to predict phenotypes, and to me that is a lot more interesting 
>>>>> (and still possible to deconstruct).____
>>>>> 
>>>>>    __ __
>>>>> 
>>>>>    *From:* Friam <friam-bounces at redfish.com <mailto:friam-bounces at redfish.com>> *On Behalf Of *Eric Charles
>>>>>    *Sent:* Wednesday, September 8, 2021 3:53 PM
>>>>>    *To:* The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group <friam at redfish.com <mailto:friam at redfish.com>>
>>>>>    *Subject:* [FRIAM] gen'fur____
>>>>> 
>>>>>    __ __
>>>>> 
>>>>>    Gen'fur this, gen'fur that... and also the realities of biological complexity.... 
>>>>>    ____
>> 

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glen ⛧