[FRIAM] Wimberly's Conjecture
Steve Smith
sasmyth at swcp.com
Sat Sep 11 15:29:45 EDT 2021
On 9/11/21 12:09 PM, Marcus Daniels wrote:
>
> For contrast, one might call teenagers Adult-candidates.
>
... ad absurdum ...
1. fetuses are child candidates
2. embryos are fetus candidates
3. gametes are embryo half-candidates
4. spermatocytes and spermatids are gamete-candidates
5. healthy cells are cancerous cell candidates
6. living humans are angel-candidates (in some mythologies)
7. many "adults" are *adult* candidates in our culture
The abortion debate is *extremely* tired, yet still somehow vital,
personal, critical at all scales of human experience.
<anecdotes> Roe v. Wade was decided about the time I was becoming
sexually active. My older daughter was conceived out of wedlock and
could easily (by some measure of easy) have become an abortion
statistic, or if her maternal grandmother had had her way, an adoption
statistic, instead she became a high functioning scientist working hard
on virus research (Flavii not Corona) which has a big impact on global
health with a happy, healthy child of her own (my parents promoted ZPG
or Ro=1, I practiced Ro=1, my daughters chose an Ro of .5). I would
not have encouraged *any* of these pregnancies to be terminated
early/deliberately yet I *would* have deferred such choices *to* the
mother in each and every case.
I've a good friend who likes to point out that *he* was conceived
(brought to term, adopted) *just before* Roe v. Wade and would likely
NOT have been allowed to come to term if he'd been conceived post RvW,
yet I'm pretty sure he is *still* pro-choice.
Mary's (R1.5) twin grandchildren (R1) just turned 6. Their gestation
was problematic toward the end and in spite of heroic measures to avoid
premature birth, they were still 4 weeks premature and spent many weeks
in an incubator with significant non-mother support to become viable.
The larger of the two at birth *might* have survived without modern
technology, though both of them received various treatments beyond
simple temperature/nourishment normalization.
</anecdotes>
I find that most discussions around abortion are fraught with multiple
conflations, but then I suppose most issues with strong
political/sociological/ideological implications often do. I have
remained persuaded from the first time I significantly considered the
implications of abortion that the woman who is pregnant has primary and
final decision authority about such matters. Anything else represents a
much more slippery slope than the (also) obvious issues of *her* making
such decisions for her unborn child/fetus/embryo.
That does not mean that I don't believe there are other important
stakeholders who *do* have a right to an opinion, ranging from the
"sperm donor" to the nuclear family (parents, siblings, extant children)
to the mother's community of continuation (origin if she does not feel
the need to leave it over such issues), her medical providers, her
spiritual advisors, etc. Right to opinion, not right to decide. My
right to an opinion for anyone else's decisions (or my right for it to
be heard?) approaches nil as my social distance rises.
I am thankful that such decisions/issues/challenges have never been more
than passing, thin possibilities for me to consider personally. I am
highly sympathetic with those who have not been so lucky (including
biological fathers, grandparents, close confidantes, etc. who were not
consulted or considered).
- Steve
>
>
> *From:* Friam <friam-bounces at redfish.com> *On Behalf Of
> *thompnickson2 at gmail.com
> *Sent:* Saturday, September 11, 2021 11:08 AM
> *To:* 'The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group'
> <friam at redfish.com>
> *Subject:* Re: [FRIAM] Wimberly's Conjecture
>
>
>
> Ok. Since you demand that I have an opinion, let’s call them all
> Child-candidates.
>
>
>
> Nick Thompson
>
> ThompNickSon2 at gmail.com <mailto:ThompNickSon2 at gmail.com>
>
> https://wordpress.clarku.edu/nthompson/
> <https://wordpress.clarku.edu/nthompson/>
>
>
>
> *From:* Friam <friam-bounces at redfish.com
> <mailto:friam-bounces at redfish.com>> *On Behalf Of *Marcus Daniels
> *Sent:* Saturday, September 11, 2021 12:39 PM
> *To:* The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group
> <friam at redfish.com <mailto:friam at redfish.com>>
> *Subject:* Re: [FRIAM] Wimberly's Conjecture
>
>
>
> Technology to the rescue!
>
>
>
> https://www.nature.com/articles/ncomms15112
> <https://www.nature.com/articles/ncomms15112>
>
>
>
> *From:* Friam <friam-bounces at redfish.com
> <mailto:friam-bounces at redfish.com>> *On Behalf Of *Frank Wimberly
> *Sent:* Saturday, September 11, 2021 9:01 AM
> *To:* The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group
> <friam at redfish.com <mailto:friam at redfish.com>>
> *Subject:* Re: [FRIAM] Wimberly's Conjecture
>
>
>
> So Nick's point is you don't call an unborn child a "baby". Or a "child".
>
> ---
> Frank C. Wimberly
> 140 Calle Ojo Feliz,
> Santa Fe, NM 87505
>
> 505 670-9918
> Santa Fe, NM
>
>
>
> On Sat, Sep 11, 2021, 9:36 AM Marcus Daniels <marcus at snoutfarm.com
> <mailto:marcus at snoutfarm.com>> wrote:
>
> Yes.
>
>
>
> On Sep 11, 2021, at 8:22 AM, Frank Wimberly
> <wimberly3 at gmail.com <mailto:wimberly3 at gmail.com>> wrote:
>
>
>
> *we can stop arguing about this for ever. How ‘bout that?*
>
>
>
> Agreed! But what will we talk about? :-)
>
>
>
> One question which I am asking sincerely. Can amniocentesis
> detect Down syndrome?
>
>
>
> Come back safely, Nick.
>
>
>
> Frank
>
>
>
> ---
> Frank C. Wimberly
> 140 Calle Ojo Feliz,
> Santa Fe, NM 87505
>
> 505 670-9918
> Santa Fe, NM
>
>
>
> On Sat, Sep 11, 2021, 9:13 AM <thompnickson2 at gmail.com
> <mailto:thompnickson2 at gmail.com>> wrote:
>
>
>
> > Wimberly's Conjecture: There is no correct,
> reductionist explanation of consciousness.
>
>
>
> Well, depends on what you mean by reduction. If you limit
> reduction to accounts in terms of events at lower levels
> or organization, then I absolutely agree, and we can stop
> arguing about this for ever. How ‘bout that?
>
>
>
> Nick Thompson
>
> ThompNickSon2 at gmail.com <mailto:ThompNickSon2 at gmail.com>
>
> https://wordpress.clarku.edu/nthompson/
> <https://wordpress.clarku.edu/nthompson/>
>
>
>
> *From:* Friam <friam-bounces at redfish.com
> <mailto:friam-bounces at redfish.com>> *On Behalf Of *Frank
> Wimberly
> *Sent:* Friday, September 10, 2021 4:18 PM
> *To:* The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group
> <friam at redfish.com <mailto:friam at redfish.com>>
> *Subject:* Re: [FRIAM] gen'fur
>
>
>
> 😁
>
> ---
> Frank C. Wimberly
> 140 Calle Ojo Feliz,
> Santa Fe, NM 87505
>
> 505 670-9918
> Santa Fe, NM
>
>
>
> On Fri, Sep 10, 2021, 1:22 PM Marcus Daniels
> <marcus at snoutfarm.com <mailto:marcus at snoutfarm.com>> wrote:
>
> I should have known to hide the drugs from the addicts.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Friam <friam-bounces at redfish.com
> <mailto:friam-bounces at redfish.com>> On Behalf Of u?l? ?>$
> Sent: Friday, September 10, 2021 12:16 PM
> To: friam at redfish.com <mailto:friam at redfish.com>
> Subject: Re: [FRIAM] gen'fur
>
> It's your fault for focusing on reading ability
> instead of some less subjective trait. Had you focused
> on, say, tool use
> <https://ec.europa.eu/research-and-innovation/en/horizon-magazine/our-intelligent-ancestor-neanderthal
> <https://ec.europa.eu/research-and-innovation/en/horizon-magazine/our-intelligent-ancestor-neanderthal>>
> or somesuch, then we may not have gone there. ...
> Aaaaa, who am I kidding? We always go there.
>
> On 9/10/21 12:06 PM, Marcus Daniels wrote:
> > How did we get started on consciousness again? The
> thread started with some snark about the power of GWAS
> associations..
> >
> >
> >
> > *From:* Friam <friam-bounces at redfish.com
> <mailto:friam-bounces at redfish.com>> *On Behalf Of *Frank
> > Wimberly
> > *Sent:* Friday, September 10, 2021 11:56 AM
> > *To:* The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee
> Group
> > <friam at redfish.com <mailto:friam at redfish.com>>
> > *Subject:* Re: [FRIAM] gen'fur
> >
> >
> >
> > Wimberly's Conjecture: There is no correct,
> reductionist explanation of consciousness.
> >
> > ---
> > Frank C. Wimberly
> > 140 Calle Ojo Feliz,
> > Santa Fe, NM 87505
> >
> > 505 670-9918
> > Santa Fe, NM
> >
> >
> >
> > On Fri, Sep 10, 2021, 11:44 AM uǝlƃ ☤>$
> <gepropella at gmail.com <mailto:gepropella at gmail.com>
> <mailto:gepropella at gmail.com
> <mailto:gepropella at gmail.com>>> wrote:
> >
> > It's no more profound than any other multi-order
> composition. It's part of the work we have to do for
> mechanistic modeling of higher order constructs. What
> galls me is that we can talk about it so much without
> discussing the mechanisms of construction.
> >
> > The details of composing from genes, through
> physiological structures, through interoception, to
> very high order attributes like "reading ability" are
> interesting, regardless of any profundity. But some of
> us need to be reminded of how the details build the
> narrative. Like Magic Eye pictures, the Necker cube,
> or the lady/vase thing, what might seem banal without
> the larger frame can seem profound when the discourse
> is enlarged ... when it all snaps into place.
> >
> >
> > On 9/10/21 10:25 AM, Marcus Daniels wrote:
> > > Fine, the goal is some composition of
> functions and it is all interdependent.
> > >
> > > Sure. Of course. Why is this so profound to
> y’all?
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > *From:* Friam <friam-bounces at redfish.com
> <mailto:friam-bounces at redfish.com>
> <mailto:friam-bounces at redfish.com
> <mailto:friam-bounces at redfish.com>>> *On Behalf Of
> *thompnickson2 at gmail.com
> <mailto:thompnickson2 at gmail.com>
> <mailto:thompnickson2 at gmail.com
> <mailto:thompnickson2 at gmail.com>>
> > > *Sent:* Friday, September 10, 2021 10:20 AM
> > > *To:* 'The Friday Morning Applied Complexity
> Coffee Group' <friam at redfish.com
> <mailto:friam at redfish.com> <mailto:friam at redfish.com
> <mailto:friam at redfish.com>>>
> > > *Subject:* Re: [FRIAM] gen'fur
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Which takes us back to thermostats,
> intentionality, intensional inexistence, Sober’s
> epiphomenator, spandrels, and Lorenz’s law: The goal
> is never the function. If you build a bird that
> measures competing male robins in terms of “brown
> stick with red fluff” you eventually get an ethologist
> who gets that bird to attack by providing only brown
> sticks with red fluff.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > See. It’s all connected.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Nick
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Nick Thompson
> > >
> > > ThompNickSon2 at gmail.com
> <mailto:ThompNickSon2 at gmail.com>
> <mailto:ThompNickSon2 at gmail.com
> <mailto:ThompNickSon2 at gmail.com>>
> <mailto:ThompNickSon2 at gmail.com
> <mailto:ThompNickSon2 at gmail.com>
> <mailto:ThompNickSon2 at gmail.com
> <mailto:ThompNickSon2 at gmail.com>>>
> > >
> > > https://wordpress.clarku.edu/nthompson/
> <https://wordpress.clarku.edu/nthompson/>
> <https://wordpress.clarku.edu/nthompson/
> <https://wordpress.clarku.edu/nthompson/>>
> <https://wordpress.clarku.edu/nthompson/
> <https://wordpress.clarku.edu/nthompson/>
> <https://wordpress.clarku.edu/nthompson/
> <https://wordpress.clarku.edu/nthompson/>>>
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > *From:* Friam <friam-bounces at redfish.com
> <mailto:friam-bounces at redfish.com>
> <mailto:friam-bounces at redfish.com
> <mailto:friam-bounces at redfish.com>>
> <mailto:friam-bounces at redfish.com
> <mailto:friam-bounces at redfish.com>
> <mailto:friam-bounces at redfish.com
> <mailto:friam-bounces at redfish.com>>>> *On Behalf Of
> *Steve Smith
> > > *Sent:* Friday, September 10, 2021 12:30 PM
> > > *To:* friam at redfish.com
> <mailto:friam at redfish.com> <mailto:friam at redfish.com
> <mailto:friam at redfish.com>> <mailto:friam at redfish.com
> <mailto:friam at redfish.com> <mailto:friam at redfish.com
> <mailto:friam at redfish.com>>>
> > > *Subject:* Re: [FRIAM] gen'fur
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Sometimes all you need is a good aphorism
> > >
> > > https://sketchplanations.com/goodharts-law
> <https://sketchplanations.com/goodharts-law>
> <https://sketchplanations.com/goodharts-law
> <https://sketchplanations.com/goodharts-law>>
> <https://sketchplanations.com/goodharts-law
> <https://sketchplanations.com/goodharts-law>
> <https://sketchplanations.com/goodharts-law
> <https://sketchplanations.com/goodharts-law>>>
> > >
> > > or maybe boost it up with a cartoon
> > >
> > > https://sketchplanations.com/
> <https://sketchplanations.com/>
> <https://sketchplanations.com/
> <https://sketchplanations.com/>>
> <https://sketchplanations.com/
> <https://sketchplanations.com/>
> <https://sketchplanations.com/
> <https://sketchplanations.com/>>>
> > >
> > > I can't help but wonder if there's an
> analog of Goodhart's law lurking, here.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > On September 9, 2021 2:31:39 PM PDT,
> Marcus Daniels <marcus at snoutfarm.com
> <mailto:marcus at snoutfarm.com>
> <mailto:marcus at snoutfarm.com
> <mailto:marcus at snoutfarm.com>>>
> <mailto:marcus at snoutfarm.com
> <mailto:marcus at snoutfarm.com>
> <mailto:marcus at snoutfarm.com
> <mailto:marcus at snoutfarm.com>>> wrote:
> > >
> > > Or they are reprogramming their people
> to be smarter!
> > >
> > > (Actually, deCODE is owned by Amgen now.)
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Selection is already occurring, so it
> isn't as if this is some sci-fi thing.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2020/12/the-last-children-of-down-syndrome/616928/
> <https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2020/12/the-last-children-of-down-syndrome/616928/>
> <https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2020/12/the-last-children-of-down-syndrome/616928/
> <https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2020/12/the-last-children-of-down-syndrome/616928/>>
> <https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2020/12/the-last-children-of-down-syndrome/616928/
> <https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2020/12/the-last-children-of-down-syndrome/616928/>
> <https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2020/12/the-last-children-of-down-syndrome/616928/
> <https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2020/12/the-last-children-of-down-syndrome/616928/>>>
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > >
> > > From: Friam <friam-bounces at redfish.com
> <mailto:friam-bounces at redfish.com>
> <mailto:friam-bounces at redfish.com
> <mailto:friam-bounces at redfish.com>>>
> <mailto:friam-bounces at redfish.com
> <mailto:friam-bounces at redfish.com>
> <mailto:friam-bounces at redfish.com
> <mailto:friam-bounces at redfish.com>>> On Behalf Of
> David Eric Smith
> > >
> > > Sent: Thursday, September 9, 2021 2:12 PM
> > >
> > > To: The Friday Morning Applied
> Complexity Coffee Group <friam at redfish.com
> <mailto:friam at redfish.com> <mailto:friam at redfish.com
> <mailto:friam at redfish.com>>> <mailto:friam at redfish.com
> <mailto:friam at redfish.com> <mailto:friam at redfish.com
> <mailto:friam at redfish.com>>>
> > >
> > > Subject: Re: [FRIAM] gen'fur
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Aha! This is why Iceland has the
> highest per-capita fraction of published authors in
> the world. I had assumed it was the weather….
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > On Sep 10, 2021, at 2:17 AM,
> Marcus Daniels <marcus at snoutfarm.com
> <mailto:marcus at snoutfarm.com>
> <mailto:marcus at snoutfarm.com
> <mailto:marcus at snoutfarm.com>>>
> <mailto:marcus at snoutfarm.com
> <mailto:marcus at snoutfarm.com>
> <mailto:marcus at snoutfarm.com
> <mailto:marcus at snoutfarm.com>>> wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > That can be screened as well with
> a large population-wide survey such has been done in
> the UK or Iceland.
> > >
> > > Of course, it is unlikely that
> complex behaviors will be governed by isolated
> mutations, so the task is to look for highly
> predictive motifs (e.g. regular expressions).
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > >
> > > From: Friam
> <friam-bounces at redfish.com
> <mailto:friam-bounces at redfish.com>
> <mailto:friam-bounces at redfish.com
> <mailto:friam-bounces at redfish.com>>>
> <mailto:friam-bounces at redfish.com
> <mailto:friam-bounces at redfish.com>
> <mailto:friam-bounces at redfish.com
> <mailto:friam-bounces at redfish.com>>> On Behalf Of u?l? ?>$
> > >
> > > Sent: Thursday, September 9, 2021
> 10:12 AM
> > >
> > > To: friam at redfish.com
> <mailto:friam at redfish.com> <mailto:friam at redfish.com
> <mailto:friam at redfish.com>> <mailto:friam at redfish.com
> <mailto:friam at redfish.com> <mailto:friam at redfish.com
> <mailto:friam at redfish.com>>>
> > >
> > > Subject: Re: [FRIAM] gen'fur
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Ha! Now you're trolling. The
> answer is: "because the sites that generate reading
> ability (or whatever) *also* generate other
> 'abilities'", with "abilities" in scare quotes because
> many abilities are considered bad ... like the ability
> of a pimply faced white dude to shoot up a church or
> blow up a federal building.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > In addition to polyphenism,
> there's robustness. If more than 1 site generates the
> same functional ability (reading), then do we write
> them all? ... just one of them? ... a
> probabilistically predictive handful of them?
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > On 9/9/21 10:00 AM, Marcus Daniels
> wrote:
> > >
> > > So find the sites that
> correspond to reading ability, or whatever, and WRITE
> them.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > >
> > > From: Friam
> <friam-bounces at redfish.com
> <mailto:friam-bounces at redfish.com>
> <mailto:friam-bounces at redfish.com
> <mailto:friam-bounces at redfish.com>>>
> <mailto:friam-bounces at redfish.com
> <mailto:friam-bounces at redfish.com>
> <mailto:friam-bounces at redfish.com
> <mailto:friam-bounces at redfish.com>>> On Behalf Of u?l? ?>$
> > >
> > > Sent: Thursday, September 9,
> 2021 9:51 AM
> > >
> > > To: friam at redfish.com
> <mailto:friam at redfish.com> <mailto:friam at redfish.com
> <mailto:friam at redfish.com>> <mailto:friam at redfish.com
> <mailto:friam at redfish.com> <mailto:friam at redfish.com
> <mailto:friam at redfish.com>>>
> > >
> > > Subject: Re: [FRIAM] gen'fur
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > I was alerted to this article
> this morning:
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Can Progressives Be Convinced
> That Genetics Matters?
> > >
> > >
> https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2021/09/13/can-progressives-be-con
> <https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2021/09/13/can-progressives-be-con>
> <https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2021/09/13/can-progressives-be-con
> <https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2021/09/13/can-progressives-be-con>>
> <https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2021/09/13/can-progressives-be-con
> <https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2021/09/13/can-progressives-be-con>
> <https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2021/09/13/can-progressives-be-con
> <https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2021/09/13/can-progressives-be-con>>>
> > >
> > > v
> > >
> > > inced-that-genetics-matters
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > It should delight those
> amongst us who rant about the "woke". 8^D But it
> dovetails nicely with the fraught concept of equality
> in the other thread.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Coincidentally, also on 9/6,
> the BIAPT announced their early career prize winner
> Emily McTernan:
> > >
> > >
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> > >
> > > rpoliticalthought.ac.uk
> <http://rpoliticalthought.ac.uk>
> <http://rpoliticalthought.ac.uk
> <http://rpoliticalthought.ac.uk>>%2fbiapt-2021-early-care&c=E,1,Je9MVNdO8lpJQOd
> > >
> > >
> 6fZwUNe-4z5yuFq0upxNIzMBFjmLFh_h5a63ueVVpd8lkEdWeUx5Xx1RaoPg3T5Ph8YlG
> > >
> > > 0558qqHLZD8-DKeBPEC3YYM,&typo=1
> > >
> > > er-prize-winner-dr-emily-mcternan/
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > "In her forthcoming monograph,
> Dr McTernan develops her work on social equality
> further, to advance a pioneering conceptual account –
> and robust normative defence – of the phenomenon of
> ‘taking offence’. Therein, McTernan contends, we
> should understand taking offence, under appropriate
> conditions, as a civic virtue rather than a vice, as
> an emotion that embodies the resistance of social
> inequalities within a community."
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > On 9/8/21 8:06 PM, Marcus
> Daniels wrote:
> > >
> > > From about a cancer rate
> of 10% (without mutation) to 50% (with) but it depends
> on the BRCA variant.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> https://www.cdc.gov/genomics/disease/breast_ovarian_cancer/breast_ca
> <https://www.cdc.gov/genomics/disease/breast_ovarian_cancer/breast_ca>
> <https://www.cdc.gov/genomics/disease/breast_ovarian_cancer/breast_ca
> <https://www.cdc.gov/genomics/disease/breast_ovarian_cancer/breast_ca>>
> <https://www.cdc.gov/genomics/disease/breast_ovarian_cancer/breast_ca
> <https://www.cdc.gov/genomics/disease/breast_ovarian_cancer/breast_ca>
> <https://www.cdc.gov/genomics/disease/breast_ovarian_cancer/breast_ca
> <https://www.cdc.gov/genomics/disease/breast_ovarian_cancer/breast_ca>>>
> > >
> > > n
> > >
> > > c
> > >
> > > er.htm
> > >
> > >
> <https://www.cdc.gov/genomics/disease/breast_ovarian_cancer/breast_c
> <https://www.cdc.gov/genomics/disease/breast_ovarian_cancer/breast_c>
> <https://www.cdc.gov/genomics/disease/breast_ovarian_cancer/breast_c
> <https://www.cdc.gov/genomics/disease/breast_ovarian_cancer/breast_c>>
> <https://www.cdc.gov/genomics/disease/breast_ovarian_cancer/breast_cancer.htm
> <https://www.cdc.gov/genomics/disease/breast_ovarian_cancer/breast_cancer.htm>
> <https://www.cdc.gov/genomics/disease/breast_ovarian_cancer/breast_cancer.htm
> <https://www.cdc.gov/genomics/disease/breast_ovarian_cancer/breast_cancer.htm>>>
> > >
> > > a
> <https://www.cdc.gov/genomics/disease/breast_ovarian_cancer/breast_cancer.htm
> <https://www.cdc.gov/genomics/disease/breast_ovarian_cancer/breast_cancer.htm>
> <https://www.cdc.gov/genomics/disease/breast_ovarian_cancer/breast_cancer.htm
> <https://www.cdc.gov/genomics/disease/breast_ovarian_cancer/breast_cancer.htm>>>
> > >
> > > n
> <https://www.cdc.gov/genomics/disease/breast_ovarian_cancer/breast_cancer.htm
> <https://www.cdc.gov/genomics/disease/breast_ovarian_cancer/breast_cancer.htm>
> <https://www.cdc.gov/genomics/disease/breast_ovarian_cancer/breast_cancer.htm
> <https://www.cdc.gov/genomics/disease/breast_ovarian_cancer/breast_cancer.htm>>>
> > >
> > > cer.htm>
> <https://www.cdc.gov/genomics/disease/breast_ovarian_cancer/breast_cancer.htm
> <https://www.cdc.gov/genomics/disease/breast_ovarian_cancer/breast_cancer.htm>
> <https://www.cdc.gov/genomics/disease/breast_ovarian_cancer/breast_cancer.htm
> <https://www.cdc.gov/genomics/disease/breast_ovarian_cancer/breast_cancer.htm>>>
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > On Sep 8, 2021, at
> 4:07 PM, Frank Wimberly <wimberly3 at gmail.com
> <mailto:wimberly3 at gmail.com>
> <mailto:wimberly3 at gmail.com
> <mailto:wimberly3 at gmail.com>>>
> <mailto:wimberly3 at gmail.com
> <mailto:wimberly3 at gmail.com>
> <mailto:wimberly3 at gmail.com
> <mailto:wimberly3 at gmail.com>>> wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Is the Braca gene that
> little correlated with breast cancer?
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > ---
> > >
> > > Frank C. Wimberly
> > >
> > > 140 Calle Ojo Feliz,
> > >
> > > Santa Fe, NM 87505
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > 505 670-9918
> > >
> > > Santa Fe, NM
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > On Wed, Sep 8, 2021,
> 4:57 PM Marcus Daniels <marcus at snoutfarm.com
> <mailto:marcus at snoutfarm.com>
> <mailto:marcus at snoutfarm.com
> <mailto:marcus at snoutfarm.com>>
> <mailto:marcus at snoutfarm.com
> <mailto:marcus at snoutfarm.com>
> <mailto:marcus at snoutfarm.com
> <mailto:marcus at snoutfarm.com>>>
> <mailto:marcus at snoutfarm.com
> <mailto:marcus at snoutfarm.com>
> <mailto:marcus at snoutfarm.com
> <mailto:marcus at snoutfarm.com>>>
> <mailto:marcus at snoutfarm.com
> <mailto:marcus at snoutfarm.com>
> <mailto:marcus at snoutfarm.com
> <mailto:marcus at snoutfarm.com>>>> wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Yeah, it is hard to
> get excited about “unusual” variance. Modern
> > >
> > > classification
> algorithms like gradient boosting make it possible
> > >
> > > to predict phenotypes,
> and to me that is a lot more interesting
> > >
> > > (and still possible to
> deconstruct).____
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > __ __
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > *From:* Friam
> <friam-bounces at redfish.com
> <mailto:friam-bounces at redfish.com>
> <mailto:friam-bounces at redfish.com
> <mailto:friam-bounces at redfish.com>>
> <mailto:friam-bounces at redfish.com
> <mailto:friam-bounces at redfish.com>
> <mailto:friam-bounces at redfish.com
> <mailto:friam-bounces at redfish.com>>>
> <mailto:friam-bounces at redfish.com
> <mailto:friam-bounces at redfish.com>
> <mailto:friam-bounces at redfish.com
> <mailto:friam-bounces at redfish.com>>>
> <mailto:friam-bounces at redfish.com
> <mailto:friam-bounces at redfish.com>
> <mailto:friam-bounces at redfish.com
> <mailto:friam-bounces at redfish.com>>>> *On Behalf Of
> *Eric Charles
> > >
> > > *Sent:* Wednesday,
> September 8, 2021 3:53 PM
> > >
> > > *To:* The Friday
> Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group
> <friam at redfish.com <mailto:friam at redfish.com>
> <mailto:friam at redfish.com <mailto:friam at redfish.com>>
> <mailto:friam at redfish.com <mailto:friam at redfish.com>
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> <mailto:friam at redfish.com <mailto:friam at redfish.com>
> <mailto:friam at redfish.com <mailto:friam at redfish.com>>>>
> > >
> > > *Subject:* [FRIAM]
> gen'fur____
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> > >
> > > __ __
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Gen'fur this,
> gen'fur that... and also the realities of biological
> complexity....
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