[FRIAM] the cancellation arc

Tue Sep 14 15:18:01 EDT 2021

Wow, Glen,

No doubt about it.  Dreams are experiences.  Fake only in the sense that they don't prove out.  Small comfort when you are in the middle of one.  I used to fly in my dreams...really.... FLY!  Funny how dreams peel off like onions, as bit-by-bit, they fail to prove out.  So, when the air beneath my wings failed me, it would be in steps.  

Nick 

Nick Thompson
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Speaking of dreams ... I had this very vivid color dream sitting on "my" patio, a patio I've never actually seen in woke fugues, behind a house I've never actually seen while awake, watching a non-biomimetically tall deciduous tree that doesn't exist bend to some high winds. An impossibly long branch from that tree broke off an flattened a couple of parts of the house. In the dream, I surveyed the damage and kept thinking "that part's OK, I was gonna tear that down anyway", "that part sucks, redoing the brick so that it matches will be difficult". Etc. I woke up right in the middle of the survey *still* thinking I was thinking about an actual house until I snapped and remembered the house I actually live in (no brick, no impossibly high trees, no patio).

That purely internal experience was the most vivid one I've had since I was a kid, woke or asleep, and not merely visually, physically too, though it was clearly fake because I had no back pain, no headache, none of the chronic pains I always feel when I'm awake.

On 9/14/21 10:58 AM, Steve Smith wrote:
> 
> On 9/14/21 10:29 AM, uǝlƃ ☤>$ wrote:
>> Yeah, well. Were I fully liberated, I'd be doing a lot more, and a lot more diverse, drugs than I do. Reading books is all well and good. But my guess is the experience of liberty is more expansive than intellectual knowledge of liberty. It takes a magician to truly appreciate magic.
> 
> This would be the basis of my support for "the ineffable".   Not that 
> thinking about an experience in linguistic terms isn't possible, 
> rewarding, even insightful, it is not precisely *the same* as the 
> experience, if even close.
> 
>   *watching/hearing/smelling/feeling/tasting others* having an 
> experience seems *more* apt to inform (apologies to NST) me 
> empathetically/mirror-neurologically, but actually *having* the 
> experience is still somewhat it's own thing.
> 
> Having *had* the experience allows (perhaps) the 
> linguistic/intellectual and the empathetic/mirror-neuron triggers to 
> help me (re) access those experiences in some inner way.  Just because 
> when watching the Williams sisters play tennis doesn't cause me to 
> shift my weight to plant my feet and flex my racquet grip and swing an 
> arm, doesn't mean the fact of having played thousands of hours of 
> tennis in my lie doesn't give me a significantly different experience 
> from what I might think I "know" of Jai Alai or Cricket or Curling or even Golf ferGawdSakez!
> 
> I've reported my "locomotion" dreams before, but this puts a nice 
> emphasis on what I suspect to be the difference between even my most 
> extravagant running, jumping, swimming, tree-swinging dreams and my 
> levitating/flying/soaring and especially my orbital mechanics dreams.
> The latter is *entirely* symbolic while flying at least is fed (or
> informed?) by what I see in birds flight and my trivial amount of 
> private piloting (but never 
> hang-gliding/ultra-lighting/ram-chuting/squirrel-suiting).
> 
> My proto/neo-libertarian nature comes (I postulate) from my having had 
> a
> *fairly* liberated early life where the primary restrictions I 
> experienced (allowed to constrain me) were the "hard knocks" variety 
> NOT involving other people (especially near-peers).   I've always felt 
> claustrophobic/cramped when confronted with social norms which is not 
> to say I think those norms are *evil* or even *wrongheaded*, just 
> "inconvenient".   The longer I live, the more experiences I have which 
> help me to not only distinguish the "wrongheaded" from the 
> "inconvenient" but also how to *navigate* the isoclines of a 
> high-dimensional socio-political landscape on my own terms and thereby 
> spend less time yelling at the TV or shaking my fist at the kids who 
> need to "get off my lawn!".
> 
> - Steve
> 
>>
>> On 9/14/21 9:11 AM, thompnickson2 at gmail.com wrote:
>>> He was the Mill  that had a scandalous affair 
>>> <https://www.economist.com/open-future/2018/10/05/the-scandalous-love-affair-that-fuelled-john-stuart-mills-feminism> and went on seances with the likes of Erasmus Darwin.  [Charles never had any truck for that sort of thing.]  Mill sure knew what it was to be cancelled.
> 
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