[FRIAM] the cancellation arc

Thu Sep 16 15:54:57 EDT 2021

“KSR, SR, SR, What ever will be will be.  The future’s not ours to see. KSR, SR. “

Nick Thompson

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From: Friam <friam-bounces at redfish.com> On Behalf Of Steve Smith
Sent: Thursday, September 16, 2021 3:14 PM
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On 9/16/21 10:40 AM, uǝlƃ ☤>$ wrote:

Ha! Yeah, CBT has mostly been replaced by ACT these days. And there's plenty of reasons to classify animals into somatic versus cognitive. Mindfulness, like CBT, is limited. Yoga spans them, with its typical practice. I was recently forced to learn about Somatic Experiencing®, and had to point out that RCTs show no efficacy on pain, but significant efficacy on PTSD. As "hard" as KSR is, my guess is he didn't tease out the character/circumstance to cover all the possible permutations.

I think I took a mild bitch-slapping a few (more) threads back in the weft over my "casual" use of the acronym of BLM, with several taking issue of the ease of conflation with Bureau of Land Management.

I'm not bitch-slapping here myself, just exhibiting my PTSD-trigger and wondering if I will bother to dump KSR/RCT/ACT through a search engine?   I do love a good TLA myself, so maybe I will dive down that rabbit hole (or up the gyre of falcon/falconer <https://www.poetryfoundation.org/poems/43290/the-second-coming> ).

On 9/16/21 9:30 AM, Roger Critchlow wrote:

There's a PTSD character in "Ministry for the Future" who is the sole survivor of a mass climate fatality.  He doesn't have much success using CBT to tame his triggers.

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On Thu, Sep 16, 2021 at 11:56 AM uǝlƃ ☤>$ <gepropella at gmail.com <mailto:gepropella at gmail.com>   <mailto:gepropella at gmail.com> <mailto:gepropella at gmail.com>> wrote:

    Thanks for linking the trigger warning article. There's only 1 thing in there I can't abide:

    "At the college level, we don't believe the Holocaust, slavery, genocide, and other harrowing topics should come in two different versions: 'regular' and 'lite.'"

    Every intellectualized treatment of fundamentally *somatic* things is the 'lite' version of it. Book learnin' is all 'lite' versions. This is made obvious by those ASPCA TV commercials that show clip after clip of abused and neglected animals, with some soft, pleading voice begging for you to send them money.

    We can go round and round with the behaviorists about how there is no such thing as the internal mind and whatnot. But the value of being *slowly* exposed to atrocity, starting with intellectualized 'lite' versions, is obvious. Cognitive Behavior Therapy (CBT), where you are given some teachable skills to manage catastrophizing and such, exploits the relationship between the 'lite' and the 'heavy' versions of any givenn subject. It works, at least temporarily, for both healthy people and those with PTSD.

    I think the techniques of CBT should be taught early, like maybe 5th grade.

    On 9/16/21 6:09 AM, Roger Critchlow wrote:
    > They also incidentally brought up recent research on trigger warnings, a crowd sourced clinical intervention for PTSD dating to the 1970's and a long time tough-guy bug-a-boo.  
    >
    > https://www.chronicle.com/article/the-data-is-in-trigger-warnings-dont-work  <https://www.chronicle.com/article/the-data-is-in-trigger-warnings-dont-work> <https://www.chronicle.com/article/the-data-is-in-trigger-warnings-dont-work> <https://www.chronicle.com/article/the-data-is-in-trigger-warnings-dont-work  <https://www.chronicle.com/article/the-data-is-in-trigger-warnings-dont-work> <https://www.chronicle.com/article/the-data-is-in-trigger-warnings-dont-work>>

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