[FRIAM] unplanned [sen|obsol]escence

[Steve Smith]

Re:

    /refused to admit that Antifa is categorically different from the
    Proud Boys/

And you now have a front-row seat to all this... ?

https://www.oregonlive.com/pacific-northwest-news/2021/09/1-prominent-member-of-proud-boys-shot-in-foot-after-groups-clash-in-olympia.html

I have a hard time seeing these value-parallax-differences as anything
BUT that.   I still believe (imagine?) that the basis space implied by
*my* values are somehow more better (in the sense of goodNevil) than
others, but that doesn't stop me from recognizing that (many/most?)
others are just following *their* best guess of what is "good", even
when it goes acutely counter to my own.


> Well, personally, as much as I rant about the unsoundness of evolutionary psychology, I think the is-ought dichotomy is false, one of the most egregious ways philosophy is sterile ... or at least "hygienic".
>
> So I absolutely don't hate passive-aggressive implications like those you list. Worse yet, I think your claim that a value statement like "healthcare is a right" is somehow a preference and the implication that of deception ("masqerade") is fundamentally flawed. It's a misunderstanding of communication, prioritizing form to the detriment of function.
>
> Value alignment is Big News in AI these days. And when someone uses language to curiously prod at whether or not my values are aligned with theirs, I take that as a compliment ... and an invitation to ask what they mean by "right" and "healthcare". But it all depends on my attitude at the time, I guess. When a coworker recently refused to admit that Antifa is categorically different from the Proud Boys, at first I didn't get irritated. I tried to lay out as many different forms of the argument as I could. But he shunted each one by returning to his "both side-ism" ... like we were Fox News panelists or somesuch. 
>
> And *that* irritated me. He wasn't trying to find alignment in values. He was trying to assert his values, win the game, make sure we played on his field. And that's not really all that fun.
>
> On 9/22/21 3:23 PM, thompnickson2 at gmail.com wrote:
>> One of my colleagues used to say that "we" ought to spend more time with undergraduates.  Since she herself was DEFINITELY not planning to spend more time with undergraduates, that really meant that she wanted ME to spend more time with undergraduates.   You are technically correct, I suppose, that I am using the term "modally" incorrectly, since all language is modal in some sense.  The Cat is In The Hat is a proposition in the indicative mood.  Put the Damned hat in the Cat!  Is in the imperative mood.  The Cat Belongs in the Hat is in the "deontive?" mood ... the mood of obligation.  What people do is try to hook other people by stating their wants in the denotive mood.  "Isn't it time to mow the lawn, dear?"  and "Gawsh, we haven't had strawberry short cake in ages" are both subtle denotive moves.  "Health care is a right" is an example of a policy preference masquerading as denotive proposition.   One of the things I THINK I know about you is that you hate that sort of thing even more than I do.  
>>
>> Nick 
>>
>> PS:  If you forbade empty deontive propositions from facutly meetings they would be shortened by 80 percent.
>>
>> Nick Thompson
>> ThompNickSon2 at gmail.com
>> https://wordpress.clarku.edu/nthompson/
>>
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>> I don't have the slightest idea what you mean by "modal language", I guess. I thought you meant necessary versus possible.
>>
>> On 9/22/21 1:56 PM, thompnickson2 at gmail.com wrote:
>>> I am overjoyed to see that Hume's Guillotine is the origin of my "note the use of modal language" thing. 
>>
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