[FRIAM] unplanned [sen|obsol]escence

[Steve Smith]

I maybe understand Glen's use of several terms more better now.  

I heard "value alignment" to refer to the general alignment between
basis spaces of roughly self-aligned groups and other similar (but
different) groups.   I think I hear now that Glen was giving the PB
crowd credit for having a coherent presentation with others while acting
in public.   I don't know what their private discussions/meetings look
like, they may be near anarchy, but by the time they are on the street
the present as a coherent, disciplined group.  


> Yes, this seems really important to me:
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>> That "antifa affiliated" guy who shot Tiny is probably susceptible to peer pressure to *stop* carrying his gun to town, much like the Proud Boys coach their participants not to start fights and always cooperate with the cops. The more organized Antifa groups, like Rose City *do* coach their participants more than the less organized groups do. But the difference in both value alignment and tactics is obvious. If you're like my colleague, you'll claim this is a "distinction without a difference". But the difference is palpable if you're actually present.
> Living sometimes in Atlanta, where the past of a civil rights movement that was purpose-driven, sophisticated, strategic, and disciplined has been kept alive a bit more than other places, I watch historical footage from the 60s, of strings of people singing quietly and clapping in time various religious songs while being herded into police vans, and I am awestruck at the dignity and the self-control.  If the current movements could get to that, at the scale of the many-more people that they include today, we could solve a lot of these problems. 
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