[FRIAM] Islam-Science-Muslims-and-Technology-Seyyed-Hossein-Nasr-in-Conversation-with-Muzaffar-Iqbal-2009.pdf

[Marcus Daniels]

It is not scientifically neutral in that the selection of topics are not prioritized by scientific considerations.  So there is bias about what is considered worthy of study.   This is very clear if you work at a weapons lab.   On the other hand it was Einstein that wrote Roosevelt to inform him of the possibility.

On Sep 25, 2021, at 1:38 PM, Prof David West <profwest at fastmail.fm> wrote:


The biggest problem with western science since the enlightenment, is the myth that pure science is morally neutral — that the science, e.g., making an atomic bomb, is totally and absolutely separate from the dropping of said bomb on Hiroshima.

The best morning of my trip to Istanbul was the one spent in the Islamic Museum of Science and Technology. Wonderful exhibits. Strong antidote to the poison of modern scientism.

davew


On Sat, Sep 25, 2021, at 12:16 PM, thompnickson2 at gmail.com<mailto:thompnickson2 at gmail.com> wrote:

Dear Colleagues,

Because of an interest some of you expressed in Islamic science, I ran down the text linked below.  It is an entire book, and I have read only the first chapter, but I found that fascinating.  It is a sort of airing of linen concerning the role of science in the modern Islamic world that tracks in  interesting ways the recent American ambivalence about science.   This first chapter is both unsettling and very familiar at the same time.

http://traditionalhikma.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/02/Islam-Science-Muslims-and-Technology-Seyyed-Hossein-Nasr-in-Conversation-with-Muzaffar-Iqbal-2009.pdf

Ok, just to give you sense of one of the places it leaves me:  If the fault of western science is that it is laced with  unacknowledged western values, what would a science that acknowledged its values look like.  I have argued that the science we practice is absurdly dualistic (given that we have only one source of information).  But it is unclear to me how “dualism” is a value.  Is the “rape of nature” and all that follows implicit in dualism?  I wish I could claim that if I turn you all into monists, you will all become wind=turbine fanatics, but I don’t think that’s the case.   Do values guide what we do or are they just the heavy artillery that we muster to convince others to do what we have done?

See what you think?



Nick

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