[FRIAM] Islam-Science-Muslims-and-Technology-Seyyed-Hossein-Nasr-in-Conversation-with-Muzaffar-Iqbal-2009.pdf

[Frank Wimberly]

Kalam seems similar to the tutorial methods of St John's College.

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On Sat, Sep 25, 2021, 3:13 PM Jochen Fromm <jofr at cas-group.net> wrote:

> There was a time in the 8th century in the Islamic Golden Age when Baghdad
> was the center of the scientific world during the Abbasid Caliphate. For
> science to prosper there must be a culture which values knowledge and
> freedom.
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abbasid_Caliphate
>
> Knowledge is based on language and stored in books. In Baghdad there was
> at the time a "house of wisdom", a mix between library and university
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/House_of_Wisdom
>
> The scholars used a form of dialectic debate called "kalam", which is a
> bit similar to the Jewish method of hevruta/havruta in which a small group
> of students discuss and debate a shared text
>
> https://www.theguardian.com/books/2010/sep/26/baghdad-centre-of-scientific-world
>
> -J.
>
>
> -------- Original message --------
> From: thompnickson2 at gmail.com
> Date: 9/25/21 20:23 (GMT+01:00)
> To: 'The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group' <
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> Subject: [FRIAM]
> Islam-Science-Muslims-and-Technology-Seyyed-Hossein-Nasr-in-Conversation-with-Muzaffar-Iqbal-2009.pdf
>
>
> Dear Colleagues,
>
> Because of an interest some of you expressed in Islamic science, I ran
> down the text linked below.  It is an entire book, and I have read only the
> first chapter, but I found that fascinating.  It is a sort of airing of
> linen concerning the role of science in the modern Islamic world that
> tracks in  interesting ways the recent American ambivalence about science.
>  This first chapter is both unsettling and very familiar at the same time.
>
>
> http://traditionalhikma.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/02/Islam-Science-Muslims-and-Technology-Seyyed-Hossein-Nasr-in-Conversation-with-Muzaffar-Iqbal-2009.pdf
>
> Ok, just to give you sense of one of the places it leaves *me*:  If the
> fault of western science is that it is laced with  unacknowledged western
> values, what would a science that acknowledged its values look like.  I
> have argued that the science we practice is absurdly dualistic (given that
> we have only one source of information).  But it is unclear to me how
> “dualism” is a value.  Is the “rape of nature” and all that follows
> implicit in dualism?  I wish I could claim that if I turn you all into
> monists, you will all become wind=turbine fanatics, but I don’t think
> that’s the case.   Do values guide what we do or are they just the heavy
> artillery that we muster to convince others to do what we have done?
>
> See what you think?
>
>
>
> Nick
>
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