[FRIAM] dystopian vision(s)

[Steve Smith]

On 8/19/22 1:33 PM, glen wrote:
> No, as I understand it, HIPAA would *not* be violated. That's a common 
> (right wing) trope.

I guess I erred toward the idea that if I had *legitimate* access to 
medical info that it would be a violation.  I *think* anyone with 
legitimate access to HIPPA information has to sign agreements that bind 
them whether they are licensed medical professionals or not?  It seems 
like a double-ding if you ARE licensed, risking both criminal charges 
and losing a license?

I think I agree that simply "finding" or unknowingly "receiving" HIPPA 
protected information is likely just a question of  ethics and bad faith?

> I still worry that spying on and disclosing (semi) private data about 
> elected officials might be a crime of some kind. But you're the PI. So 
> you'd know!

Seems like there has been plenty of doxxing of elected officials... if 
such is illegal then maybe the current practice of loose/difficult 
enforcement means it isn't much of a problem for some?

I haven't been a PI for 40 years, but I do admit that sometimes I use 
that lens when thinking about things.   I quit that mini-career for a 
combination of practical and ethical reasons. There really wasn't much 
"righteous" work when it came right down to it.   Also helping make 
world-ending WMDs somehow seemed more ethical at the time?

I doubt I could stomach much clandestine surveillance as implied, much 
less actual disclosure of the results... It isn't about what they 
"deserve" it is about who I am willing to be?   For a few months in 2016 
I had a direct-action project conception titled "take a Dump for Trump" 
that was modeled on the old Halloween trick of a bag of burning dogshit 
on a porch... but I had to let that go for similar reasons.

>
> On 8/19/22 12:25, Steve Smith wrote:
>> GEPR -
>>> This sounds like a fantastic project for a public OSINT challenge. 
>>> You *know* all those codgers have terrible OpSec, probably order 
>>> their drugs through the USPS or worse, have their underpaid, 
>>> over-abused admin assistants pick 'em up at the drive through window 
>>> of the pharmacy. A good camera and a parabolic mic and Bob's your 
>>> uncle. >8^D
>>>
>>> It's probably a crime, though.
>>
>> yah... busting into their records would be... HPPA and all that 
>> (which I support).
>>
>> Your version (distance scrutiny of public behaviour/sigInt) would not 
>> be (on the surface anyway).   Like Jack Sweeney's 
>> Billionaire-Jet-Tracking efforts.  Sometimes this kind of work 
>> <https://www.amazon.com/Trevor-Paglen-Unseen-John-Jacob/dp/1911282336/ref=pd_bxgy_sccl_2/147-8329599-4719344?pd_rd_w=x3mIb&content-id=amzn1.sym.7757a8b5-874e-4a67-9d85-54ed32f01737&pf_rd_p=7757a8b5-874e-4a67-9d85-54ed32f01737&pf_rd_r=9R7EAMZEBWZ0R3F49MCB&pd_rd_wg=IJDl5&pd_rd_r=28b14ca2-d8a3-4908-b468-520b2a8d0114&pd_rd_i=1911282336&psc=1> 
>> verges on (performance?) Art...
>>
>> I personally would not want to see *anyone* busted for their chemical 
>> (or other technological) augmentation in any harsh way, but I would 
>> not mind seeing it included in a low-level pressure campaign to shift 
>> the average elected office encumbent age downward.   I'm happy if 
>> Bernie Sanders was juicing a little for the last Senate all-nighter 
>> (tactically) but not so happy that such things may have become 
>> standard practice (like steroids Mr. Universe and WWF but not in 
>> Olympic Weight LIfting and Chess-Boxing).  JFK, FDR and who knows how 
>> many (other) TLA-presidents had their own personal physician juicing 
>> them for things the public was unaware of...   performance enhancing 
>> or remedial, what is the line?
>>
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