[FRIAM] wtf I thought nuclear weapons was banned since...forever

Sun Aug 28 22:18:44 EDT 2022

Well written, Steve.

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On Sun, Aug 28, 2022, 8:03 PM Steve Smith <sasmyth at swcp.com> wrote:

> Pandora's cats are out of the bag and nothing will put them back.   I'm
> not religious but the whole "original sin" thing is a good allegory for how
> hard (impossible) it is to go backwards...  even when that would be the
> very best thing to do (were it possible).   There is no "undo" button...
> entropy does increase... time does march forward, and "the only way out is
> through".   I can't even begin to guess what it would look like for
> humanity to collectively evolve (I suppose societally, not
> genetically/individually) to the point that we really can put down
> obviously dead-end ideations like "Mutual Assured Destruction" across the
> board.
>
> Post Apocalyptic fiction suggests that the only remedy is an
> Atlantean-class collapse and "great forgetting" of the shite we know about
> being horribly cruel and destructive to one another (and by extension or
> vice-versa, the planet/universe?).    I *do* think that there is an
> "enlightened self-interest* path that is armatured around an expanding
> sense of "self" as well as "interest" AND "enlightenment", but the
> specifics are an "exercise for the student (as a collective).   I doubt we
> are going to sort this in my lifetime and maybe not in my grandchildren's,
> but that is no reason *not* to try to understand what that would look like
> and seek it.
>
> 993,765 steps forward and a similar number back?   Progress is incremental
> until it isn't.   Aphorisms 'R US.
> On 8/28/22 7:17 PM, Gillian Densmore wrote:
>
> Huh? shame...no just curious.
> I was just asking how and why agreeing not use nukes was agreed on not to
> go there. In my head I was thinking; huh, wait a second.  Didn't this get
> adressed several decades ago for the NPT( Nuclear non
> prolification Treaty?).
> Is russia and india posturing to agree that nukes are just bad?
>
>
> On Sun, Aug 28, 2022 at 12:09 AM Marcus Daniels <marcus at snoutfarm.com>
> wrote:
>
>> How do you propose dissuading countries from building these weapons?
>> Shaming them on mailing lists?
>>
>> On Aug 27, 2022, at 3:25 PM, Gillian Densmore <gil.densmore at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>> 
>>
>> https://www.cnn.com/2022/08/27/europe/russia-blocks-un-nuclear-disarmament-treaty-intl-hnk/index.html
>>
>> Am I going loony, I had thought after ultra conservatives of different
>> interpretation in communism had tried to murder (1991 coup attempt)
>> Gorbachev, and his part in draging russin into the Nuclear Weapons Ban and
>> Test ban treaties that was that. Though was a we widdle youngling then I do
>> clearly recall Gorby being all like: Un Embassy has good and poison free
>> food, the coffees also good. and then latter: well Russia you'll stop being
>> dicks about nukes and like it we won't make more are taking apart what we
>> do have...
>> so um why is this a thing?
>>
>> So um cans someone please ELi5 wtf is going on with  a new nuclear ban
>> and disarm. treaty and how was russia even allowed to cock block it?  is
>> Putin really as insane as to attempt to nuke Ukrain? (probably). And  is
>> this just him being a dick to pout and posture? Hell do they even anything
>> that can move those things? they're not exactly light.
>>
>> Sigh. To russia: trolling about a nuclear winter or at least a MAD
>> scenario just because Zelenskyy  doesn't like being murdered in his sleep
>> KGB style doesn't make it ok to not  decide nukes== f'n stupid, can still
>> make bombs. just not make a few Tsar Bombas because the rest of us want to
>> live past the next few years.
>> -ME for one
>>
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