[FRIAM] health care logistics
Merle Lefkoff
merlelefkoff at gmail.com
Tue Jan 25 11:21:16 EST 2022
I was working in China during the one-child policy. I remember visiting
what we would call a kindergarten school and talking with the teachers.
I'll never forget their complaints that the children (mostly boys) were
unable--at the age of five--to tie their shoelaces or put on their jackets
by themselves. The parents did everything for their one child. This
started a dialogue on what the future of China might be like when these
boys became adult rulers of the country.
On Tue, Jan 25, 2022 at 7:36 AM David Eric Smith <desmith at santafe.edu>
wrote:
> Never too late, Merle.
>
> On Jan 25, 2022, at 9:32 AM, Merle Lefkoff <merlelefkoff at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Yes, they should have drowned the boys.
>
> On Tue, Jan 25, 2022 at 7:27 AM Frank Wimberly <wimberly3 at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> But
>>
>> https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Female_infanticide_in_China#20th_century
>>
>> ---
>> Frank C. Wimberly
>> 140 Calle Ojo Feliz,
>> Santa Fe, NM 87505
>>
>> 505 670-9918
>> Santa Fe, NM
>>
>> On Tue, Jan 25, 2022, 7:16 AM Merle Lefkoff <merlelefkoff at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Dave is right. Development experts have known for a long time that when
>>> girls get educated and women hold jobs outside the home they are much more
>>> likely to control childbearing. However, the culture must change
>>> everywhere, and it happens quite slowly with lots of pushback. Check out
>>> the new protest and direct action movement that's happening with young men
>>> demonstrating in the streets in S. Korea. ("A Vicious Anti-Feminist
>>> Backlash Stuns South Korea", Globe And Mail, 1/22.)
>>>
>>> On Tue, Jan 25, 2022 at 12:40 AM Prof David West <profwest at fastmail.fm>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> It has been known for a long time that the most effective means of
>>>> birth / population control was educating girls, followed closely by
>>>> empowering girls, e.g., with micro-loans to start businesses. I remember
>>>> studying this topic way back in the 80s in my anthropology graduate program.
>>>>
>>>> davew
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Mon, Jan 24, 2022, at 9:02 PM, Marcus Daniels wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Merle wrote:
>>>>
>>>> < China's population has stopped growing--primarily because there are
>>>> more urban educated workers, especially women. >
>>>>
>>>> Estimate in Hawken's book was the 6th largest potential reduction for
>>>> CO2 drawdown came from educating girls. His reference was:
>>>>
>>>> https://www.science.org/doi/10.1126/science.1206964
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>>>>
>>>>
>>>> ------------------------------
>>>>
>>>> *From:* Friam <friam-bounces at redfish.com> on behalf of Merle Lefkoff <
>>>> merlelefkoff at gmail.com>
>>>> *Sent:* Monday, January 24, 2022 9:40 PM
>>>> *To:* The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group <
>>>> friam at redfish.com>
>>>> *Subject:* Re: [FRIAM] health care logistics
>>>>
>>>> China's population has stopped growing--primarily because there are
>>>> more urban educated workers, especially women.
>>>>
>>>> On Mon, Jan 24, 2022 at 7:11 PM Frank Wimberly <wimberly3 at gmail.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Excellent, Marcus.
>>>>
>>>> Eric, if it's less than 90% it still would have be significant. Two
>>>> problems, "God" has tricks for making babies. As for 1 child per couple
>>>> didn't they "terminate" some babies (not fetuses, feti?), particularly
>>>> females? My impression is that their population has grown substantially
>>>> notwithstanding those policies.
>>>>
>>>> Frank
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> ---
>>>> Frank C. Wimberly
>>>> 140 Calle Ojo Feliz,
>>>> Santa Fe, NM 87505
>>>>
>>>> 505 670-9918
>>>> Santa Fe, NM
>>>>
>>>> On Mon, Jan 24, 2022, 6:38 PM Marcus Daniels <marcus at snoutfarm.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Before I launch into a diatribe about why the hell we can't agree to
>>>> basic, never mind interesting things: I'd just like to report that the
>>>> James Webb telescope is in L2 orbit. Score one for the negotiating,
>>>> patient, subtlety-appreciating scientists and their counterparts in
>>>> government.
>>>>
>>>> Marcus
>>>>
>>>> ------------------------------
>>>>
>>>> *From:* Friam <friam-bounces at redfish.com> on behalf of David Eric
>>>> Smith <desmith at santafe.edu>
>>>> *Sent:* Monday, January 24, 2022 6:01 PM
>>>> *To:* The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group <
>>>> friam at redfish.com>
>>>> *Subject:* Re: [FRIAM] health care logistics
>>>>
>>>> You know, as I read your characterization, Marcus, it took me back to
>>>> Hannah Arendt’s description of feudal Europe and the role of the
>>>> Rothschilds and other big Jewish quasi-stateless fixer families in relation
>>>> to the feudal lords. Fussy and indirect seems somehow very close to the
>>>> right picture of the stateless ones navigating always through the cracks
>>>> and seams, compared to the blunt moves of the ones who had states.
>>>>
>>>> I have some discomfort that this doesn’t quite map. Yet it seems not
>>>> fully dissimilar.
>>>>
>>>> Eric
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Jan 24, 2022, at 7:19 PM, Marcus Daniels <marcus at snoutfarm.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> SFI sponsorship seems like very much a fideistic declaration. It
>>>> would be interesting to see how that influence network feeds into a D.C.
>>>> influencer network and real money. There are some linkages, like
>>>> Brookings, but leverage-wise it all seems much softer than with LANL and
>>>> the DOE. And it all seems so fussy and indirect compared to slapping down
>>>> a few billion dollars to build a Starship. That's the appeal of Musk: I'm
>>>> f'ing doing this.
>>>>
>>>> ------------------------------
>>>>
>>>> *From:* Friam <friam-bounces at redfish.com> on behalf of glen <
>>>> gepropella at gmail.com>
>>>> *Sent:* Monday, January 24, 2022 5:08 PM
>>>> *To:* friam at redfish.com <friam at redfish.com>
>>>> *Subject:* Re: [FRIAM] health care logistics
>>>>
>>>> Well, that ain't true, either. Like Epstein, when you "invest" in the
>>>> SFI or people like Steven Pinker or Bill Clinton, you're simply
>>>> transferring from one store to another ... buying influence. If, e.g., the
>>>> CIA contracts with the SFI to adapt a CAS modeling tool into a broad
>>>> spectrum simulation tool, they are not only buying a (questionable) piece
>>>> of software; they're buying *leverage* over people's salaries, loyalty,
>>>> etc. So those VCs *will* see that money again, perhaps much less of it,
>>>> depending on the efficiency of the transaction, or in fringe storage types
>>>> (able to get past the receptionist after eating over-priced peri-Mexican
>>>> food in order to have tea with smart people).
>>>>
>>>> On 1/24/22 15:31, Marcus Daniels wrote:
>>>> > Some of them sponsor SFI for goodness' sake! They'll never see THAT
>>>> money again!
>>>> --
>>>> glen
>>>> Theorem 3. There exists a double master function.
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>>>> Merle Lefkoff, Ph.D.
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