[FRIAM] health care logistics
Frank Wimberly
wimberly3 at gmail.com
Tue Jan 25 11:24:01 EST 2022
Maybe they should have drowned Mao.
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Frank C. Wimberly
140 Calle Ojo Feliz,
Santa Fe, NM 87505
505 670-9918
Santa Fe, NM
On Tue, Jan 25, 2022, 9:22 AM Merle Lefkoff <merlelefkoff at gmail.com> wrote:
> I was working in China during the one-child policy. I remember visiting
> what we would call a kindergarten school and talking with the teachers.
> I'll never forget their complaints that the children (mostly boys) were
> unable--at the age of five--to tie their shoelaces or put on their jackets
> by themselves. The parents did everything for their one child. This
> started a dialogue on what the future of China might be like when these
> boys became adult rulers of the country.
>
> On Tue, Jan 25, 2022 at 7:36 AM David Eric Smith <desmith at santafe.edu>
> wrote:
>
>> Never too late, Merle.
>>
>> On Jan 25, 2022, at 9:32 AM, Merle Lefkoff <merlelefkoff at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>> Yes, they should have drowned the boys.
>>
>> On Tue, Jan 25, 2022 at 7:27 AM Frank Wimberly <wimberly3 at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> But
>>>
>>> https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Female_infanticide_in_China#20th_century
>>>
>>> ---
>>> Frank C. Wimberly
>>> 140 Calle Ojo Feliz,
>>> Santa Fe, NM 87505
>>>
>>> 505 670-9918
>>> Santa Fe, NM
>>>
>>> On Tue, Jan 25, 2022, 7:16 AM Merle Lefkoff <merlelefkoff at gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Dave is right. Development experts have known for a long time that
>>>> when girls get educated and women hold jobs outside the home they are much
>>>> more likely to control childbearing. However, the culture must change
>>>> everywhere, and it happens quite slowly with lots of pushback. Check out
>>>> the new protest and direct action movement that's happening with young men
>>>> demonstrating in the streets in S. Korea. ("A Vicious Anti-Feminist
>>>> Backlash Stuns South Korea", Globe And Mail, 1/22.)
>>>>
>>>> On Tue, Jan 25, 2022 at 12:40 AM Prof David West <profwest at fastmail.fm>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> It has been known for a long time that the most effective means of
>>>>> birth / population control was educating girls, followed closely by
>>>>> empowering girls, e.g., with micro-loans to start businesses. I remember
>>>>> studying this topic way back in the 80s in my anthropology graduate program.
>>>>>
>>>>> davew
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Mon, Jan 24, 2022, at 9:02 PM, Marcus Daniels wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Merle wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> < China's population has stopped growing--primarily because there are
>>>>> more urban educated workers, especially women. >
>>>>>
>>>>> Estimate in Hawken's book was the 6th largest potential reduction for
>>>>> CO2 drawdown came from educating girls. His reference was:
>>>>>
>>>>> https://www.science.org/doi/10.1126/science.1206964
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>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> ------------------------------
>>>>>
>>>>> *From:* Friam <friam-bounces at redfish.com> on behalf of Merle Lefkoff <
>>>>> merlelefkoff at gmail.com>
>>>>> *Sent:* Monday, January 24, 2022 9:40 PM
>>>>> *To:* The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group <
>>>>> friam at redfish.com>
>>>>> *Subject:* Re: [FRIAM] health care logistics
>>>>>
>>>>> China's population has stopped growing--primarily because there are
>>>>> more urban educated workers, especially women.
>>>>>
>>>>> On Mon, Jan 24, 2022 at 7:11 PM Frank Wimberly <wimberly3 at gmail.com>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Excellent, Marcus.
>>>>>
>>>>> Eric, if it's less than 90% it still would have be significant. Two
>>>>> problems, "God" has tricks for making babies. As for 1 child per couple
>>>>> didn't they "terminate" some babies (not fetuses, feti?), particularly
>>>>> females? My impression is that their population has grown substantially
>>>>> notwithstanding those policies.
>>>>>
>>>>> Frank
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> ---
>>>>> Frank C. Wimberly
>>>>> 140 Calle Ojo Feliz,
>>>>> Santa Fe, NM 87505
>>>>>
>>>>> 505 670-9918
>>>>> Santa Fe, NM
>>>>>
>>>>> On Mon, Jan 24, 2022, 6:38 PM Marcus Daniels <marcus at snoutfarm.com>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Before I launch into a diatribe about why the hell we can't agree to
>>>>> basic, never mind interesting things: I'd just like to report that the
>>>>> James Webb telescope is in L2 orbit. Score one for the negotiating,
>>>>> patient, subtlety-appreciating scientists and their counterparts in
>>>>> government.
>>>>>
>>>>> Marcus
>>>>>
>>>>> ------------------------------
>>>>>
>>>>> *From:* Friam <friam-bounces at redfish.com> on behalf of David Eric
>>>>> Smith <desmith at santafe.edu>
>>>>> *Sent:* Monday, January 24, 2022 6:01 PM
>>>>> *To:* The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group <
>>>>> friam at redfish.com>
>>>>> *Subject:* Re: [FRIAM] health care logistics
>>>>>
>>>>> You know, as I read your characterization, Marcus, it took me back to
>>>>> Hannah Arendt’s description of feudal Europe and the role of the
>>>>> Rothschilds and other big Jewish quasi-stateless fixer families in relation
>>>>> to the feudal lords. Fussy and indirect seems somehow very close to the
>>>>> right picture of the stateless ones navigating always through the cracks
>>>>> and seams, compared to the blunt moves of the ones who had states.
>>>>>
>>>>> I have some discomfort that this doesn’t quite map. Yet it seems not
>>>>> fully dissimilar.
>>>>>
>>>>> Eric
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Jan 24, 2022, at 7:19 PM, Marcus Daniels <marcus at snoutfarm.com>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> SFI sponsorship seems like very much a fideistic declaration. It
>>>>> would be interesting to see how that influence network feeds into a D.C.
>>>>> influencer network and real money. There are some linkages, like
>>>>> Brookings, but leverage-wise it all seems much softer than with LANL and
>>>>> the DOE. And it all seems so fussy and indirect compared to slapping down
>>>>> a few billion dollars to build a Starship. That's the appeal of Musk: I'm
>>>>> f'ing doing this.
>>>>>
>>>>> ------------------------------
>>>>>
>>>>> *From:* Friam <friam-bounces at redfish.com> on behalf of glen <
>>>>> gepropella at gmail.com>
>>>>> *Sent:* Monday, January 24, 2022 5:08 PM
>>>>> *To:* friam at redfish.com <friam at redfish.com>
>>>>> *Subject:* Re: [FRIAM] health care logistics
>>>>>
>>>>> Well, that ain't true, either. Like Epstein, when you "invest" in the
>>>>> SFI or people like Steven Pinker or Bill Clinton, you're simply
>>>>> transferring from one store to another ... buying influence. If, e.g., the
>>>>> CIA contracts with the SFI to adapt a CAS modeling tool into a broad
>>>>> spectrum simulation tool, they are not only buying a (questionable) piece
>>>>> of software; they're buying *leverage* over people's salaries, loyalty,
>>>>> etc. So those VCs *will* see that money again, perhaps much less of it,
>>>>> depending on the efficiency of the transaction, or in fringe storage types
>>>>> (able to get past the receptionist after eating over-priced peri-Mexican
>>>>> food in order to have tea with smart people).
>>>>>
>>>>> On 1/24/22 15:31, Marcus Daniels wrote:
>>>>> > Some of them sponsor SFI for goodness' sake! They'll never see
>>>>> THAT money again!
>>>>> --
>>>>> glen
>>>>> Theorem 3. There exists a double master function.
>>>>>
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>>>>>
>>>>> Merle Lefkoff, Ph.D.
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> Center for Emergent Diplomacy
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> skype: merle.lelfkoff2
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