[FRIAM] health care logistics
Prof David West
profwest at fastmail.fm
Tue Jan 25 12:05:49 EST 2022
No, it is male chickens that are culled. Chicken sexer was/is a very real job. Imagine spending all day looking for male genitalia on barely hatched chicks and tossing the ones sporting them into a waste bin for immediate euthanasia.
Female infanticide is absurdly common — across cultures and throughout history. China's one-child laws almost certainly increased the practice, in large part via technology that allowed for in utero or abortive infanticide. The proof was in the marked imbalance between males and females of marriageable age and the discussed but never implemented legitimization/legalization of polyandry. In India it was / is illegal for expecting mothers to get an ultrasound or any other test that might reveal gender of a fetus because that information would increase in utero infanticide.
davew
On Tue, Jan 25, 2022, at 7:48 AM, Frank Wimberly wrote:
> Boneless chicken breasts come from roosters?
>
> ---
> Frank C. Wimberly
> 140 Calle Ojo Feliz,
> Santa Fe, NM 87505
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> 505 670-9918
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> On Tue, Jan 25, 2022, 8:45 AM Steve Smith <sasmyth at swcp.com> wrote:
>> We neuter many/most male pets and beasts of burden, slaughter many of them young (e.g. this is where most of our beef and chicken come from).
>>
>> We do this for various reasons that are not entirely unrelated to the larger conversation here...
>>
>> On 1/25/22 7:35 AM, David Eric Smith wrote:
>>> Never too late, Merle.
>>>
>>>
>>>> On Jan 25, 2022, at 9:32 AM, Merle Lefkoff <merlelefkoff at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Yes, they should have drowned the boys.
>>>>
>>>> On Tue, Jan 25, 2022 at 7:27 AM Frank Wimberly <wimberly3 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>> But
>>>>>
>>>>> https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Female_infanticide_in_China#20th_century
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> ---
>>>>> Frank C. Wimberly
>>>>> 140 Calle Ojo Feliz,
>>>>> Santa Fe, NM 87505
>>>>>
>>>>> 505 670-9918
>>>>> Santa Fe, NM
>>>>>
>>>>> On Tue, Jan 25, 2022, 7:16 AM Merle Lefkoff <merlelefkoff at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>> Dave is right. Development experts have known for a long time that when girls get educated and women hold jobs outside the home they are much more likely to control childbearing. However, the culture must change everywhere, and it happens quite slowly with lots of pushback. Check out the new protest and direct action movement that's happening with young men demonstrating in the streets in S. Korea. ("A Vicious Anti-Feminist Backlash Stuns South Korea", Globe And Mail, 1/22.)
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Tue, Jan 25, 2022 at 12:40 AM Prof David West <profwest at fastmail.fm> wrote:
>>>>>>> It has been known for a long time that the most effective means of birth / population control was educating girls, followed closely by empowering girls, e.g., with micro-loans to start businesses. I remember studying this topic way back in the 80s in my anthropology graduate program.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> davew
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>>>>>>> On Mon, Jan 24, 2022, at 9:02 PM, Marcus Daniels wrote:
>>>>>>>> Merle wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> < China's population has stopped growing--primarily because there are more urban educated workers, especially women. >
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Estimate in Hawken's book was the 6th largest potential reduction for CO2 drawdown came from educating girls. His reference was:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> https://www.science.org/doi/10.1126/science.1206964 <https://linkprotect.cudasvc.com/url?a=https%3a%2f%2fwww.science.org%2fdoi%2f10.1126%2fscience.1206964&c=E,1,dhZqId6BmX_lZAkiZ4KqytELCYK4cwA4xLz977cmeLfMrTYrhP3BmklQPOLEU4fwWN1lRQM2UxbXsMWAXVEDer4Yykb7kz6tIFR9uWjkYw,,&typo=1>
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>>>>>>>> *From:* Friam <friam-bounces at redfish.com> on behalf of Merle Lefkoff <merlelefkoff at gmail.com>
>>>>>>>> *Sent:* Monday, January 24, 2022 9:40 PM
>>>>>>>> *To:* The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group <friam at redfish.com>
>>>>>>>> *Subject:* Re: [FRIAM] health care logistics
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> China's population has stopped growing--primarily because there are more urban educated workers, especially women.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Mon, Jan 24, 2022 at 7:11 PM Frank Wimberly <wimberly3 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>> Excellent, Marcus.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Eric, if it's less than 90% it still would have be significant. Two problems, "God" has tricks for making babies. As for 1 child per couple didn't they "terminate" some babies (not fetuses, feti?), particularly females? My impression is that their population has grown substantially notwithstanding those policies.
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>>>>>>>>> Frank
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>>>>>>>>> Frank C. Wimberly
>>>>>>>>> 140 Calle Ojo Feliz,
>>>>>>>>> Santa Fe, NM 87505
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>>>>>>>>> 505 670-9918
>>>>>>>>> Santa Fe, NM
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>>>>>>>>> On Mon, Jan 24, 2022, 6:38 PM Marcus Daniels <marcus at snoutfarm.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> Before I launch into a diatribe about why the hell we can't agree to basic, never mind interesting things: I'd just like to report that the James Webb telescope is in L2 orbit. Score one for the negotiating, patient, subtlety-appreciating scientists and their counterparts in government.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Marcus
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>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> *From:* Friam <friam-bounces at redfish.com> on behalf of David Eric Smith <desmith at santafe.edu>
>>>>>>>>>> *Sent:* Monday, January 24, 2022 6:01 PM
>>>>>>>>>> *To:* The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group <friam at redfish.com>
>>>>>>>>>> *Subject:* Re: [FRIAM] health care logistics
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> You know, as I read your characterization, Marcus, it took me back to Hannah Arendt’s description of feudal Europe and the role of the Rothschilds and other big Jewish quasi-stateless fixer families in relation to the feudal lords. Fussy and indirect seems somehow very close to the right picture of the stateless ones navigating always through the cracks and seams, compared to the blunt moves of the ones who had states.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> I have some discomfort that this doesn’t quite map. Yet it seems not fully dissimilar.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Eric
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>>>>>>>>>>> On Jan 24, 2022, at 7:19 PM, Marcus Daniels <marcus at snoutfarm.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> SFI sponsorship seems like very much a fideistic declaration. It would be interesting to see how that influence network feeds into a D.C. influencer network and real money. There are some linkages, like Brookings, but leverage-wise it all seems much softer than with LANL and the DOE. And it all seems so fussy and indirect compared to slapping down a few billion dollars to build a Starship. That's the appeal of Musk: I'm f'ing doing this.
>>>>>>>>>>>
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>>>>>>>>>>> *From:* Friam <friam-bounces at redfish.com> on behalf of glen <gepropella at gmail.com>
>>>>>>>>>>> *Sent:* Monday, January 24, 2022 5:08 PM
>>>>>>>>>>> *To:* friam at redfish.com <friam at redfish.com>
>>>>>>>>>>> *Subject:* Re: [FRIAM] health care logistics
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Well, that ain't true, either. Like Epstein, when you "invest" in the SFI or people like Steven Pinker or Bill Clinton, you're simply transferring from one store to another ... buying influence. If, e.g., the CIA contracts with the SFI to adapt a CAS modeling tool into a broad spectrum simulation tool, they are not only buying a (questionable) piece of software; they're buying *leverage* over people's salaries, loyalty, etc. So those VCs *will* see that money again, perhaps much less of it, depending on the efficiency of the transaction, or in fringe storage types (able to get past the receptionist after eating over-priced peri-Mexican food in order to have tea with smart people).
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> On 1/24/22 15:31, Marcus Daniels wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> > Some of them sponsor SFI for goodness' sake! They'll never see THAT money again!
>>>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>>>> glen
>>>>>>>>>>> Theorem 3. There exists a double master function.
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